N420 auto or manual ?
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Dct is much heavier. Sportshift is also heavier. Think of all the gubbins you need to do the job of your now redundant left leg.
If you like driving manuals, I accept that some don't (or should that be can't?) but if you do you'll regret passing up the last chance to get one. Well a new one anyway.
We already have touchtronic 2 and sportsshift 2. Where does that leave the ss mk 1?
If you drive a lot in London (can't imagine why you'd want to) then you can stick it in 'D' which is where most sportsshifts spend their time. I guess that's when it makes more sense (to some, not me).
If you like driving manuals, I accept that some don't (or should that be can't?) but if you do you'll regret passing up the last chance to get one. Well a new one anyway.
We already have touchtronic 2 and sportsshift 2. Where does that leave the ss mk 1?
If you drive a lot in London (can't imagine why you'd want to) then you can stick it in 'D' which is where most sportsshifts spend their time. I guess that's when it makes more sense (to some, not me).
Lets just be clear here 
The gearbox in the Vantage is the same ZF box in both it is also similar to the one Maserati use.
It is NOT an Auto.
In the Sportshift it is the same manual gearbox with an actuator on it controlled by an ECU and the paddles.
I have always had manuals, didn't get on with Porsches PDK or Audi's DSG (which are true Auto's).
When I went looking for a roadster I found 70% were sportshift, a dealer convinced me to try one and I "got it" with in 4 gear changes.
The trick is to use it in manual as much as possible and lift slighty as you go up.
It is crap in auto but serves a purpose in traffic and cruising. (DONT touch the Comfort button
)
The other benefit is it allows you to concentrate more on the road and driving rather than clutch, throttle, gear lever and your position in the seat in a manual.
I'd hazard a guess it is better for clutch wear if you do the "learns" regularly
It is not significantly heavier than a manual, lose the pedal gear leaver etc and add an ECU & actuator!
The "creep" mode takes a bit of getting used to.
Having said all that I'd still make do with a manual V12
The gearbox in the Vantage is the same ZF box in both it is also similar to the one Maserati use.
It is NOT an Auto.
In the Sportshift it is the same manual gearbox with an actuator on it controlled by an ECU and the paddles.
I have always had manuals, didn't get on with Porsches PDK or Audi's DSG (which are true Auto's).
When I went looking for a roadster I found 70% were sportshift, a dealer convinced me to try one and I "got it" with in 4 gear changes.
The trick is to use it in manual as much as possible and lift slighty as you go up.
It is crap in auto but serves a purpose in traffic and cruising. (DONT touch the Comfort button
)The other benefit is it allows you to concentrate more on the road and driving rather than clutch, throttle, gear lever and your position in the seat in a manual.
I'd hazard a guess it is better for clutch wear if you do the "learns" regularly
It is not significantly heavier than a manual, lose the pedal gear leaver etc and add an ECU & actuator!
The "creep" mode takes a bit of getting used to.
Having said all that I'd still make do with a manual V12
Edited by mikey k on Sunday 13th February 13:25
mikey k said:
Lets just be clear here ...........
I have always had manuals, didn't get on with Porsches PDK or Audi's DSG (which are true Auto's).
Best have a look on Wiki to be clear ...........I have always had manuals, didn't get on with Porsches PDK or Audi's DSG (which are true Auto's).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_clutch_transmiss...
where is says "A dual clutch transmission eliminates the torque converter as used in conventional epicyclic-geared automatic transmissions".
&
"Like all DCTs, the Porsche PDK transmission is fundamentally two separate manual transmissions in one."
dw
Edited by David W. on Sunday 13th February 13:57
Indeed, pdk and dct are most certainly NOT conventional autos. And they most certainly are heavy.
To me however they are all equally undesirable.
If the v12 vantage wasn't available with a manual I wouldn't have one. It's simply the best, most involving way to experience that extaordinary engine.
To me however they are all equally undesirable.
If the v12 vantage wasn't available with a manual I wouldn't have one. It's simply the best, most involving way to experience that extaordinary engine.
)I've got a Manual Chimaera and love the engaging drive I sold my F1 F430 last year only had manuals before and was not a great fan of the F1 box , I'm selling my Maser GTS for an Aston , once again I did not like the MC Shift so got the full ZF Auto great car but fancy a change . So the search is on for a manual , now coupe or roadster ?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2462250.htm going to look at this in the morning and drive a very nice manual as well, not sure about the colour ?
I'm loving my sportshift N420R, like others have said it takes a bit of getting used to but I love having both hands on the wheel now. I agree that there are better DSG style boxes out there, I had a GTR & the gear change was awesome but the Astons crude feel seems to go with the nature of the car. Go try both & get an extended drive in the sportshift car to help get a 'feel' , either way I doubt you'll be disapointed...
It is the same colour as the EVO mag car, looks good with the black interior , wheels and roof . I know what you mean about the seats but these still look good and have the N420 stitched in , what was the value of the carbon seats ? If I like it then i will haggle a better price , is ? £80 k a bit optimistic ? One thing has anyone got a better answer the the poorly placed cup holders rather than that insert , maybe a new arm rest ?
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