Sold the V12 Vantage... age of austerity!
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I would hardly describe getting a 997 Turbo as the age of austerity!!! Anyway, you seem to be confused, going from AM to Porker is the wrong way round - you should be followinbg the good example of several others on this forum and leaving Porsche to come back to AM (join those of us that 'Austerity AM's!!)
that is an interesting post! I have had so many various 911's and now considering the move to an aston v8 4.7 cab. I drove one a few months ago and found it a great 'feel good' car. I was also surprised by the decent amount of speed and the good handling. I had 964rs, 996 gt3 mk2, various boxster S's, and lately a 996 turbo which is an extraordinary car.
BUT, I would be very happy to hear why the change from a v12v to a 997 turbo? The v12v may not be the perfect car but it is very individual and should surely bring much more of a sense of occasion when driving / owning it?
Curious to hear more from the OP...
BUT, I would be very happy to hear why the change from a v12v to a 997 turbo? The v12v may not be the perfect car but it is very individual and should surely bring much more of a sense of occasion when driving / owning it?
Curious to hear more from the OP...
erics said:
that is an interesting post! I have had so many various 911's and now considering the move to an aston v8 4.7 cab. I drove one a few months ago and found it a great 'feel good' car. I was also surprised by the decent amount of speed and the good handling. I had 964rs, 996 gt3 mk2, various boxster S's, and lately a 996 turbo which is an extraordinary car.
BUT, I would be very happy to hear why the change from a v12v to a 997 turbo? The v12v may not be the perfect car but it is very individual and should surely bring much more of a sense of occasion when driving / owning it?
Curious to hear more from the OP...
No, you're spot on. The V12V is an astonishing car - feels more GT than the 997TT but is still a fantastic drive. You won't regret it. I changed as the price to keep was not justified by its use. A used manual 997TT offered the best performance for the money. I've kept the personalised V12V sills so will be back. Ps a manual DBS is pretty close too -- either will keep you very happy.BUT, I would be very happy to hear why the change from a v12v to a 997 turbo? The v12v may not be the perfect car but it is very individual and should surely bring much more of a sense of occasion when driving / owning it?
Curious to hear more from the OP...
I would have said -if you push this logic to an extreme- that the Nissan GTR offers the best performance for the money. By far. For less than 50k (there are many sub 5k miles car in the classifieds for this money), you get yourself a 997 turbo S beater.
Either way, none of these two have the 'charm', the 'romance', the sense of exclusivity of the aston v12. The porsche is only marginally better than the nissan but still has this arcade game feel to it.
I am not even sure choosing either of these is a safer place to put your money in, in the long run.
And this is coming from a 996 turbo owner..
Either way, none of these two have the 'charm', the 'romance', the sense of exclusivity of the aston v12. The porsche is only marginally better than the nissan but still has this arcade game feel to it.
I am not even sure choosing either of these is a safer place to put your money in, in the long run.
And this is coming from a 996 turbo owner..
polar8 said:
erics said:
that is an interesting post! I have had so many various 911's and now considering the move to an aston v8 4.7 cab. I drove one a few months ago and found it a great 'feel good' car. I was also surprised by the decent amount of speed and the good handling. I had 964rs, 996 gt3 mk2, various boxster S's, and lately a 996 turbo which is an extraordinary car.
BUT, I would be very happy to hear why the change from a v12v to a 997 turbo? The v12v may not be the perfect car but it is very individual and should surely bring much more of a sense of occasion when driving / owning it?
Curious to hear more from the OP...
No, you're spot on. The V12V is an astonishing car - feels more GT than the 997TT but is still a fantastic drive. You won't regret it. I changed as the price to keep was not justified by its use. A used manual 997TT offered the best performance for the money. I've kept the personalised V12V sills so will be back. Ps a manual DBS is pretty close too -- either will keep you very happy.BUT, I would be very happy to hear why the change from a v12v to a 997 turbo? The v12v may not be the perfect car but it is very individual and should surely bring much more of a sense of occasion when driving / owning it?
Curious to hear more from the OP...
Just put mine in for its first annual service. First year mileage 9300. Cost of service £652 (inc VAT.). Renewed insurance at circa £800. Tyres still look good (I will know at the end of the week what the service people predict in terms of their life.) Petrol is steeper at 17 mpg but that is probably compensated by the tyre life compared to my previous GT3 (4-5000 miles to change)- I know the turbo has different wheel set up but..
Not sure running costs are much different therefore question still remains - why change to an admittedly very competent but much less thrilling car (a GT2 RS might come closer for something special but it still would miss the emotional buttons)
Not sure running costs are much different therefore question still remains - why change to an admittedly very competent but much less thrilling car (a GT2 RS might come closer for something special but it still would miss the emotional buttons)
The Pits said:
were the running costs really any worse than a 997 turbo? Seriously? mpg maybe but tyres, servicing, road tax, insurance etc can't be very different?
either way as someone considering getting one I wouldn't mind knowing.
I've gone from a 138k new car into a used car half that price which doesn't require a garage overnight (which in my neck of the woods costs me 300 pounds a month). I calculated the cost difference (to me) between the two cars to be over 1,500 pounds EVERY month. Given the V12 wasn't being driven very far that's too much money differential, regardless of how beautiful, better sounding, nicer the V12 is. If the circumstances suit, don't get me wrong - the V12 is stunning and I'm in no way claiming the 997TT to be the better car - it isn't, just cheaper and more suitable for my use - whilst pretty thrilling to boot. Costs wise - I was close to a new pair of rear tyres after less than 1,000 miles and was averaging 9MPG. So it ain't cheap.either way as someone considering getting one I wouldn't mind knowing.
polar8 said:
Costs wise - I was close to a new pair of rear tyres after less than 1,000 miles and was averaging 9MPG. So it ain't cheap.
Bl... h... Polar - you must have gone powersliding around every single roundabout with that kind of tyre wear.I just had my first annual service after 5000 miles and the tyres were fine. (btw - i do use winter tyres during Nov-Mar so the Corsas will last longer).
I'm fortunate enough to own both a 997tt cab and a V12 Vantage and whilst the V12 Vantage has all the pedigree in the world, the 997tt is more an everyday car which you can leave outside and also take to Heathrow and leave in the car park overnight which I would never do with the V12V so I see the rationale.
Try and get hyde park roundabout sideways in a 997tt... It won't drift unless you are doing it at 100mph+... Bet it was fun in the v12v.
Shame I see this now, you could have had a 'as new' black 996tt + cash vs your v12v... Sure it would have been financially beneficial to everyone
Bl... h... Polar - you must have gone powersliding around every single roundabout with that kind of tyre wear.
Hyde park roundabout sideways twice per day, yep. What a car.Shame I see this now, you could have had a 'as new' black 996tt + cash vs your v12v... Sure it would have been financially beneficial to everyone
polar8 said:
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