V12V....Did I or didn't I ???
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For those wishing to move on to more interesting topic's numbers are being crunched.
Anyone interested in the whole experience, read on.
When I first saw this car.. WOW. It ticked the boxes re colour as it has a hint of blue and in the sun it was gorgeous.
I went for a really long drive which brought back my 1st V12V experience at Gaydon and I had my Meg Ryan moment again. This car is awesome and I think easier to drive on a day to day basis than my current car. The seats are so comfortable and the gearbox is a dream. Power through the gears.... sublime.
So yes, it reconfirmed my desire for this magnificent car.
I do however have a few issues with this particular car. To me it doesn't look like it has been cosseted.
1) Headlamp cover scratched to buggery ( dealer said unit will be replaced)
2) Front grill pockmarked on leading edge ( any action to be decided)
3) Smattering of stone chips. ( only to be touched up not resprayed)
4) And this is a puzzle. Front nearside tyre, not worn, but best described as "hairy/bobbly" on the outer edge. I have seen tyres where the tracking is out, but not like this. I rang a friend who races Ultima's and he wasn't sure. Gut feeling is this car may have been tracked. ( dealer will replace tyre and check geometry)
5) Centre of rear right light hanging out. ( dealer will sort.)
Minor points, and why is she being so bloody fussy you may ask!
Two reasons... 1st My current car was a year old when bought and showroom condition, which is how I like them.
2nd.. We are talking over £100,000 for a car and yes I do want perfection seeing as New ones like the White one I was offered could be obtained with the full 3 year warranty for only £15,000 more including the vat.
Sadly I cannot run to a new one, but would value your opinions as to whether or not I am being too fussy.
Like I said at the beginning, numbers are being crunched and I should know where we are at on Monday.
Edited to say that even at my age I do love taking my top off, but I guess we have to make sacrifices.
Di
Anyone interested in the whole experience, read on.
When I first saw this car.. WOW. It ticked the boxes re colour as it has a hint of blue and in the sun it was gorgeous.
I went for a really long drive which brought back my 1st V12V experience at Gaydon and I had my Meg Ryan moment again. This car is awesome and I think easier to drive on a day to day basis than my current car. The seats are so comfortable and the gearbox is a dream. Power through the gears.... sublime.
So yes, it reconfirmed my desire for this magnificent car.
I do however have a few issues with this particular car. To me it doesn't look like it has been cosseted.
1) Headlamp cover scratched to buggery ( dealer said unit will be replaced)
2) Front grill pockmarked on leading edge ( any action to be decided)
3) Smattering of stone chips. ( only to be touched up not resprayed)
4) And this is a puzzle. Front nearside tyre, not worn, but best described as "hairy/bobbly" on the outer edge. I have seen tyres where the tracking is out, but not like this. I rang a friend who races Ultima's and he wasn't sure. Gut feeling is this car may have been tracked. ( dealer will replace tyre and check geometry)
5) Centre of rear right light hanging out. ( dealer will sort.)
Minor points, and why is she being so bloody fussy you may ask!
Two reasons... 1st My current car was a year old when bought and showroom condition, which is how I like them.
2nd.. We are talking over £100,000 for a car and yes I do want perfection seeing as New ones like the White one I was offered could be obtained with the full 3 year warranty for only £15,000 more including the vat.
Sadly I cannot run to a new one, but would value your opinions as to whether or not I am being too fussy.
Like I said at the beginning, numbers are being crunched and I should know where we are at on Monday.
Edited to say that even at my age I do love taking my top off, but I guess we have to make sacrifices.
Di
Edited by lady topaz on Sunday 3rd October 18:27
Di it either feels right or it doesn't from your comments it would seem more like the second, we have all been there when we really want something and once bought with hindsight we probably would have chose differently, you have found something you really want I feel that this might be one of those times to sit on our hands and see what else may transpires,
rick-derby- said:
Di it either feels right or it doesn't from your comments it would seem more like the second, we have all been there when we really want something and once bought with hindsight we probably would have chose differently, you have found something you really want I feel that this might be one of those times to sit on our hands and see what else may transpires,
Hiya Rick. Wrong answer, you were supposed to say stop being a tart and go for it.Kidding, as usual you are spot on. Any opinion re the tyre???
Di
lady topaz said:
1) Headlamp cover scratched to buggery ( dealer said unit will be replaced)
2) Front grill pockmarked on leading edge ( any action to be decided)
3) Smattering of stone chips. ( only to be touched up not resprayed)
4) And this is a puzzle. Front nearside tyre, not worn, but best described as "hairy/bobbly" on the outer edge. I have seen tyres where the tracking is out, but not like this. I rang a friend who races Ultima's and he wasn't sure. Gut feeling is this car may have been tracked. ( dealer will replace tyre and check geometry)
5) Centre of rear right light hanging out. ( dealer will sort.)
Minor points, and why is she being so bloody fussy you may ask!
Di
Well I was looking forward to seeing you and Tony with a V12V !!2) Front grill pockmarked on leading edge ( any action to be decided)
3) Smattering of stone chips. ( only to be touched up not resprayed)
4) And this is a puzzle. Front nearside tyre, not worn, but best described as "hairy/bobbly" on the outer edge. I have seen tyres where the tracking is out, but not like this. I rang a friend who races Ultima's and he wasn't sure. Gut feeling is this car may have been tracked. ( dealer will replace tyre and check geometry)
5) Centre of rear right light hanging out. ( dealer will sort.)
Minor points, and why is she being so bloody fussy you may ask!
Di
However I don't think you're being too fussy with the fault list.
A £100k is a lot to pay for a car that has issues - especially with so few miles on the clock.
Perhaps this is the reason it was one of the "cheaper" used examples in the PH classifieds?
I reckon you should demand all faults are sorted and get dealer to agree to an extended test drive so that you can be 100% sure.
Not sure if they'd agree to a week, but perhaps for a long wkn (say 16/17 Oct,
)Once you've settled on your perfect V12V, get it down to TDI at Lakeside for a full geometry job.
The improvement on my humble V8 was simply astonishing.
Best,
SLINC
lol tart mmmm nope not something we would put in a sentence describing you, Kay and I both laughed when I read that comment, it sounds like the tyre has been extremely hot, so hard cornering and braking spring to mind nothing else would really cause this,
This is not a a handbag or a beautiful dress to be worn on a single or few occasions, This is something you will use daily and costs a lot of hard earned cash, it has to be right sometimes head over heart must win, seriously wait, This is one of those occasions where sleeping on it really counts,
and if when you wake tomorrow it does feel right go for it
This is not a a handbag or a beautiful dress to be worn on a single or few occasions, This is something you will use daily and costs a lot of hard earned cash, it has to be right sometimes head over heart must win, seriously wait, This is one of those occasions where sleeping on it really counts,
and if when you wake tomorrow it does feel right go for it
Edited by rick-derby- on Sunday 3rd October 18:54
Great edit Rick.
I do love the car, but you are right as it has to feel right. The dealer did say they would check tracking for camber etc ( I wasn't listening, too involved with handbags and shoes lol)
Seriously, these cars have a huge engine etc. Even if the CEO owner has played a little, is it any big deal at the right price. I am assuming any brake issues would be covered under warranty!!
Di
I do love the car, but you are right as it has to feel right. The dealer did say they would check tracking for camber etc ( I wasn't listening, too involved with handbags and shoes lol)
Seriously, these cars have a huge engine etc. Even if the CEO owner has played a little, is it any big deal at the right price. I am assuming any brake issues would be covered under warranty!!
Di
Mako V12V said:
I'd dare to suggest it has been tracked. Have you discussed the car's full history from new? Could it have been a press car?
Supposedly the Dealers CEO car from new. I guess to me it wasn't a car that had been prepared for sale. All this "oh didnt notice this that and the other" makes me a tad nervous. The headlight was the 1st thing as it was badly scratched and made me look a lot closer at the rest of the car.
To be fair, the interior was immaculate, and it drove beautifully. Just cosmetic issues.
Di
Di as soon as something is questioned I assume doubt, if when shopping with Kay she asks if I like it ( I have learnt this is not a test) it normally means a purchase that will hang in the wardrobe, a bargain is only a bargain if it is something you want at a price less than you expected to pay, if the price is right and it is what you want (the niggles are just that) BUT you question the purchase so negotiate for a deal that you feel satisfies the negative elements, or find something else that ticks all the boxes,
The trouble with Aston's they instill more heart and soul than mind luckily as a product they are awesome,
The trouble with Aston's they instill more heart and soul than mind luckily as a product they are awesome,
Edited by rick-derby- on Sunday 3rd October 19:27
Re the tyre,
Seen it a lot on bikes that have been tracked. Its the bits of rubber being scrubbed off and pushed to the outside edge. However, don't understand why its only on one tyre, would expect it to be at least on both fronts, not just one. If the tyres are not showing other signs of tracking / geo being out then the only way I can think of doing that would be to be driving round and round in one direction and loading up just the nearside. Would be worth checking the inner edge of the offside tyre.
Not what you want to hear, but if it doesn't sound / look right then walk away and find another. Surprised at the CEO not keeping it in tip top condition, would expect it to be the cossetted car available (next to a new one)
Seen it a lot on bikes that have been tracked. Its the bits of rubber being scrubbed off and pushed to the outside edge. However, don't understand why its only on one tyre, would expect it to be at least on both fronts, not just one. If the tyres are not showing other signs of tracking / geo being out then the only way I can think of doing that would be to be driving round and round in one direction and loading up just the nearside. Would be worth checking the inner edge of the offside tyre.
Not what you want to hear, but if it doesn't sound / look right then walk away and find another. Surprised at the CEO not keeping it in tip top condition, would expect it to be the cossetted car available (next to a new one)
Agree with Rick and IMI.
You have doubts. It's 100k+. Walk away.
Unless...
1) The dealer can give you the exact, no bulls
t reason why the faults it has have occurred.
2) The price is genuinely a bargain. You have new cars being offered at 15k over. This car is rough around the edges. Bargain hard.
You have doubts. It's 100k+. Walk away.
Unless...
1) The dealer can give you the exact, no bulls
t reason why the faults it has have occurred.2) The price is genuinely a bargain. You have new cars being offered at 15k over. This car is rough around the edges. Bargain hard.
Your description is probably the reason that car has been on the market for some time.
Unusual I think because my dealings with Grange have always been that their cars go out as good as one expects. Maybe they would recondidtion after sale.
As to the tracked bit....same as Press Cars really. Aren't they designed to do that?? I mean, we all talk about track days, changing exhausts, getting the rev's up...giving it some beans...why be so shocked when we think one has?
However, as per PH, this may be worth a quick trip up to Manchester:- http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2082544.htm
A grand and a half more, but at least half the miles. I bet the condition is a whole lot better too.
Cheshire roads are ace for testing these beasts and Southerners don't even need visas anymore to come and visit.
G
Unusual I think because my dealings with Grange have always been that their cars go out as good as one expects. Maybe they would recondidtion after sale.
As to the tracked bit....same as Press Cars really. Aren't they designed to do that?? I mean, we all talk about track days, changing exhausts, getting the rev's up...giving it some beans...why be so shocked when we think one has?
However, as per PH, this may be worth a quick trip up to Manchester:- http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2082544.htm
A grand and a half more, but at least half the miles. I bet the condition is a whole lot better too.
Cheshire roads are ace for testing these beasts and Southerners don't even need visas anymore to come and visit.
G
Guycord said:
Your description is probably the reason that car has been on the market for some time.
Unusual I think because my dealings with Grange have always been that their cars go out as good as one expects. Maybe they would recondidtion after sale.
As to the tracked bit....same as Press Cars really. Aren't they designed to do that?? I mean, we all talk about track days, changing exhausts, getting the rev's up...giving it some beans...why be so shocked when we think one has?
However, as per PH, this may be worth a quick trip up to Manchester:- http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2082544.htm
A grand and a half more, but at least half the miles. I bet the condition is a whole lot better too.
Cheshire roads are ace for testing these beasts and Southerners don't even need visas anymore to come and visit.
G
That one is better valueUnusual I think because my dealings with Grange have always been that their cars go out as good as one expects. Maybe they would recondidtion after sale.
As to the tracked bit....same as Press Cars really. Aren't they designed to do that?? I mean, we all talk about track days, changing exhausts, getting the rev's up...giving it some beans...why be so shocked when we think one has?
However, as per PH, this may be worth a quick trip up to Manchester:- http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2082544.htm
A grand and a half more, but at least half the miles. I bet the condition is a whole lot better too.
Cheshire roads are ace for testing these beasts and Southerners don't even need visas anymore to come and visit.
G
I know they are not exactly many around, but if I was in any doubt, I wouldnt be spending my cash ....wait for the right one. You dont want to get home and then once the excitement has worn off, be looking at bits you are not happy with on a £100K car 
Maybe the dealer will learn their lesson, go away and spruce that car up a bit before the next potential owner views it...
Maybe the dealer will learn their lesson, go away and spruce that car up a bit before the next potential owner views it...
Thank you for all the advice fella's. I guess you are confirming my inner thoughts.
It puzzles me that as this car has been around awhile, you would have thought they would have sorted the bits and bobs out. I would have viewed, been none the wiser, and most likely been collecting next week, a very excited lady.
As it stands my OH is in Manchester next weekend so he will detour to have a look at the one near there if its still avaiable.
If not, then biding my time seems sound advice.
Di
It puzzles me that as this car has been around awhile, you would have thought they would have sorted the bits and bobs out. I would have viewed, been none the wiser, and most likely been collecting next week, a very excited lady.
As it stands my OH is in Manchester next weekend so he will detour to have a look at the one near there if its still avaiable.
If not, then biding my time seems sound advice.
Di
Guycord said:
Unusual I think because my dealings with Grange have always been that their cars go out as good as one expects.
Not my experiance with them. I had a 17 point list of bits for them to fix on mine. They managed 14 and it toook a month to correct the other three.Di - haggle on the price with the faults and insist they correct them.
Go back over the car with a fine tooth comb and list ALL the issues you want resolving.
Point out the Wilmslow car is you next option.
Normally dealers wont prep the car until they know it has been sold so it is kind of a chicken and egg situation.On another note, I took my car in for its first annual service this morning and the only complait that I have was that the tax disc holder doesn't stick to the windscreen. Only to say that these cars tend to be quite reliable these days.
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