New V8 Vantage
Discussion
I had a test drive last weekend and was suitably impressed. Got as far as colours \ options etc and it all came to around £106K.
The big problem was that the dealer was desperate to sell the new V8 Vantages in his showroom and offered a 15% discount on these. None of these cars were acceptable to me but with the discount offered on these the depreciation on a full price car does not bear thinking about.
Apparently they cannot or will no discount a new car with the customers spec.
Looks like I can't buy.
The big problem was that the dealer was desperate to sell the new V8 Vantages in his showroom and offered a 15% discount on these. None of these cars were acceptable to me but with the discount offered on these the depreciation on a full price car does not bear thinking about.
Apparently they cannot or will no discount a new car with the customers spec.
Looks like I can't buy.
Neil1300R said:
There is more than one Aston dealer in the UK!
There is more than one Aston dealer in the UK with stock available at a discount!
Ring around
Or buy pre-owned
Unless your choice of specification is completely so way out that it will be unique.
I know that's right Neil and I was thinking the same thing but the dealers don't seem to advertise these cars and I'm not sure I want to spend the thick end of £100K and have to compromise on the spec or colour.There is more than one Aston dealer in the UK with stock available at a discount!
Ring around
Or buy pre-owned
Unless your choice of specification is completely so way out that it will be unique.
He speaks the truth!
Your decision on ££ vs spec
I hunted around and got an 18 monthly old roadster to 95% of my spec for £30k less than a new one of the same spec
They won't discount new built to order for a few reasons, the main one being they know many people will pay the premium for a custon build. They are no different to the other top end cars built to order.
They don't advertise the unregistered stock cars because they have paid for them and don't want other dealers selling them and having to make even less margin on them. It also encourages the qualified buyer to contact them to enquiry, they then know they can start a negotitation with you against.
Your decision on ££ vs spec
I hunted around and got an 18 monthly old roadster to 95% of my spec for £30k less than a new one of the same spec
They won't discount new built to order for a few reasons, the main one being they know many people will pay the premium for a custon build. They are no different to the other top end cars built to order.
They don't advertise the unregistered stock cars because they have paid for them and don't want other dealers selling them and having to make even less margin on them. It also encourages the qualified buyer to contact them to enquiry, they then know they can start a negotitation with you against.
Edited by mikey k on Friday 30th July 13:20
bad company said:
Looks like I can't buy.
Why not? Before you were offered the discount you thought you would pay 100k to spec the car you wanted? So now you are still going to pay 100k but get the car you wanted.
The same is true of depreciation i.e. when you were looking to spec the car you understood that it would depreciate BUT the car would be to your exact specifications.
Neil1300R said:
What's your colour combination choice? Guessing its not black/ silver with a black interior.
No I don't like black interiors. My preferred colour would be claret (can't recall what AM call it) with cream or sabia leather & claret piping. Must be a roadster with paddle shift.Jasandjules said:
bad company said:
Looks like I can't buy.
Why not? Before you were offered the discount you thought you would pay 100k to spec the car you wanted? So now you are still going to pay 100k but get the car you wanted.
The same is true of depreciation i.e. when you were looking to spec the car you understood that it would depreciate BUT the car would be to your exact specifications.
bad company said:
Neil1300R said:
What's your colour combination choice? Guessing its not black/ silver with a black interior.
No I don't like black interiors. My preferred colour would be claret (can't recall what AM call it) with cream or sabia leather & claret piping. Must be a roadster with paddle shift.Cheers,
Ian
Edited by 3rtt on Friday 30th July 16:35
bad company said:
...but at least somebody else is not buying at discount so residuals are ok.
I'm not convinced there are so many stock cars in the system that residuals are getting nailed these days. I think there was a spell a couple of years ago where this happened, but they scaled back new car production to smooth things out, which I think worked.Your spec sounds quite nice to me, but as with F-cars and pork, the colour combo *may* impact residuals more than anything else (or at least the ability to sell it). Then again, if you get a few people wanting it, all the others will be black and silver(s) so you'll have a good chance
I suspect the colours you're after are Toro red, and Sandstorm interior...
bad company said:
Because the discounted new 'stock cars' meant that my car would depreciat substantially more than a normal new car. This does not happen with Porsche or Ferrari. I have bought both new and yes they lose value but at least somebody else is not buying at discount so residuals are ok.
But surely there will be less "stock cars" than normal cars out there, to maintain residuals? The Aston prices are not too bad are they? (I must say the F430 prices seem strong mind!)Surely both Ferrari and Porsche have demo cars and so on which are then sold on too?
bad company said:
Neil1300R said:
What's your colour combination choice? Guessing its not black/ silver with a black interior.
No I don't like black interiors. My preferred colour would be claret (can't recall what AM call it) with cream or sabia leather & claret piping. Must be a roadster with paddle shift.Like I said if you are not concerned about resale/residual/built to spec premium then go for it. If you are willing to compromise on the colour you will get a much better deal. Also roadster prices firm up in the summer, buy in the winter for a better price
I love my roadster and couldn't find anything nearly as charismatic or good to drive at that level.
The colour is called Magma Red although I would look at greys\silvers with say a red or green leather interior. I could look at a used version but it would need to have sportshift and the larger engine.
I'm not up for just ordering the car and 'taking the hit'. I have let my heart rule my head too many times.
I'm not up for just ordering the car and 'taking the hit'. I have let my heart rule my head too many times.
bad company said:
I'm not up for just ordering the car and 'taking the hit'. I have let my heart rule my head too many times.
You only live once... I mean, would you rather have the car in the spec you want or settle for a different colour/spec of car to save a few bob?
If you aim to keep her for say 3-5 years then surely the depreciation will level off anyway?
Jasandjules said:
bad company said:
I'm not up for just ordering the car and 'taking the hit'. I have let my heart rule my head too many times.
You only live once... I mean, would you rather have the car in the spec you want or settle for a different colour/spec of car to save a few bob?
If you aim to keep her for say 3-5 years then surely the depreciation will level off anyway?
I see you are a fellow 5 litre TVR Chim owner. I think was the best car TVR ever produced
. Bought mine new in 2002.bad company said:
Can't bring myself to take the hit. I will probably go for a Ferrari California or a Porsche.
I see you are a fellow 5 litre TVR Chim owner. I think was the best car TVR ever produced. Bought mine new in 2002.
That's a bit of a shame, I think the Aston will have the style and charm BUT at the end of the day if you can't bear to take such a loss then you can't bear to take the hit. I suspect having lost a lot in depreciation on new machine before will also make it harder to swallow. I have never owned a brand new car before so never suffered that kind of loss but I guess a Ferrari California won't be too bad a "second" choice!!I see you are a fellow 5 litre TVR Chim owner. I think was the best car TVR ever produced
. Bought mine new in 2002.I am inclined to agree, a 5.0 Chimaera is about the best TVR out there, in terms of looks, sounds etc..and they are not too slow either
.I strongly suspect you'll be taking a depreciation hit on a California or a Porsche too (particularly the latter). Unless you were very early on the California order list.
A used car should be easy enough to find, but Magma red is, I think, quite a new colour (intro'd on the V12V?). Toro red is similar I think, but have never seen the two side by side. But with used cars, you are restricted to what happens to be on the market at the time (as with all cars).
Sounds like you want the holy grail - a car perfectly to your spec with no (or very little) depreciation. If you find it, let us know
A used car should be easy enough to find, but Magma red is, I think, quite a new colour (intro'd on the V12V?). Toro red is similar I think, but have never seen the two side by side. But with used cars, you are restricted to what happens to be on the market at the time (as with all cars).
Sounds like you want the holy grail - a car perfectly to your spec with no (or very little) depreciation. If you find it, let us know
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