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I think that it is really unfair to compare the Jaguar XKR 75 with the more expensive V8V. At 540 hp and a 0 - 60 4.4 secs 0 - 100 8.9 secs it should be compared with the DBS. OK its almost half the price and not in the same badge league, so again the comparison would be a little unfair.
I think it is horses for courses. The Jag is a good comparison for the V8V. Similarly priced, perhaps a tad faster to the 0 to 60 range but only 174mph top end. Its a very limited run (on a standard car). However, if that's the game, I'm pretty sure the V12V would eat it for breakfast - so would a standard V8V if one were to put in one of the many blowers available for that car. At the end of the day ,I'm pretty certain AM could make any of their cars go faster - just look at the RS Vantage prototype or DBS9R. However, like the Jag, these cars get limited by their weight, stability, handling at speed (especially on anything doing +160mph). I guess it boils down to how scary you want it and AM dont do that.
Nothing to get too excited about IMHO.
G
Nothing to get too excited about IMHO.
G
The XKR has always been compared with the V8V, no point in saying that Aston's could be made to go faster, in their factory form the XKR is more powerful and a good bit quicker, all for a lot less. Yes the Aston badge has the edge but Jag is definately making some big leaps in the desirability stakes.
John.
John.
you can always go faster for cheaper, if thats your number one priority when choosing a car you wouldnt buy either of them 
Jag have nearly always tried to do something similar to Aston for less money, and in their entire history not elevated themselves to the same brand pull that Aston has....they could make it do 250mph and some people would still buy Astons
Jag have nearly always tried to do something similar to Aston for less money, and in their entire history not elevated themselves to the same brand pull that Aston has....they could make it do 250mph and some people would still buy Astons
bogie said:
you can always go faster for cheaper, if thats your number one priority when choosing a car you wouldnt buy either of them
Jag have nearly always tried to do something similar to Aston for less money, and in their entire history not elevated themselves to the same brand pull that Aston has....they could make it do 250mph and some people would still buy Astons
Agree completely, an Aston delivers on so many different levels but doesn't excel in one particular area except for maybe style and image. This is why in my humble opinion they are so appealing.Jag have nearly always tried to do something similar to Aston for less money, and in their entire history not elevated themselves to the same brand pull that Aston has....they could make it do 250mph and some people would still buy Astons
JOhn
bogie said:
you can always go faster for cheaper, if thats your number one priority when choosing a car you wouldnt buy either of them
Jag have nearly always tried to do something similar to Aston for less money, and in their entire history not elevated themselves to the same brand pull that Aston has....they could make it do 250mph and some people would still buy Astons
Spot on.Jag have nearly always tried to do something similar to Aston for less money, and in their entire history not elevated themselves to the same brand pull that Aston has....they could make it do 250mph and some people would still buy Astons
It'd be easy to name a dozen cars that are "faster" than the Jag but significantly cheaper. And I suspect the typical Jag owner would be equally reticent to trade in his pipe and slippers for one as Aston owners would a Jag
cathalm said:
Guycord said:
Sorry, XKR = 174mph top speed, AM V8V = 180mph. Which one is quicker again?
The Jag is, by a considerable margin. The Jag has a speed limiter and the Aston doesn't. Compare the 0-100 times if you have any doubts. Now my original intention was to indicate the hat XKR 75 – a very, very limited XKR can be comparable to a V8V and not its big V12 brother – the DBS which is a circa £70k more.
There are many comparisons that can be made between the two but the one I was trying to convey originally, is that the XKR has (I assume – so correct me if I’m wrong) a 5.0L V8 S/C. The AMV8V has practically the same V8 but only 4.7L and no S/C. The Jag develops 530 PS (??), the Aston 426 PS. Quite clearly, the engines are very similar but not the same and therefore cannot be compared side to side. The 0-60’s and top end are like comparing apples and pears. They get there by different means.
Edited by Guycord on Friday 2nd July 02:41
now i've had a couple of astons and admittedly limited experience of jaguar there is no way i could go from aston to jag.this may sound a bit snooty(you would laugh heartily if you met me!)but it would feel like coming down a few rungs of the ladder regardless of bhp figures or top speeds or whatever.apologies to any jag boys reading this but i might as well be honest about it.before even opening autocar there could only ever be one winner in my eyes.
I take it we are all here because we believe the subjective desirability and driving experience that we can experience at every moment in the AMV8 outweigh such objective, fractional, differences that could only be very occasionally experienced.
If not, I for one, would have saved a bunch of money and bought a Nissan GTR.
If not, I for one, would have saved a bunch of money and bought a Nissan GTR.
I would expect a lot of Jaguar PHers looking at the Aston site, as probably British car enthusiasts its the natural interest. And probably the next move up for many of that frame of mind.
That's why as an enthusiast I celerbrate the cars Jaguar are building now the Ford shackles seem to have gone. The XK 75 is a great car, certainly in terms of its reviews. Peeked at the Autocar review sutcliffe describes it as being at another level to the V8V, dynamics similar to a GT3 but comfortable and civilised at the same time.
My comments that the comparison being unfair is as some else said given 530 + hp size weight etc the XK is a GT more comparable to the DB9/S. But to me the DBS is the most desireable GT there is, even if Jaguar are building limited editions cars of comparable performance.
I think it's great to have the two British marques benchmarking each other, it will only mean they build better and more desirable cars and thrive.
That's why as an enthusiast I celerbrate the cars Jaguar are building now the Ford shackles seem to have gone. The XK 75 is a great car, certainly in terms of its reviews. Peeked at the Autocar review sutcliffe describes it as being at another level to the V8V, dynamics similar to a GT3 but comfortable and civilised at the same time.
My comments that the comparison being unfair is as some else said given 530 + hp size weight etc the XK is a GT more comparable to the DB9/S. But to me the DBS is the most desireable GT there is, even if Jaguar are building limited editions cars of comparable performance.
I think it's great to have the two British marques benchmarking each other, it will only mean they build better and more desirable cars and thrive.
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