Supercharged V8V
Discussion
does it come with an unlimited mileage 12 month warranty now?
last time I heard it was 3 months and your on your own type thing...sounds a bit risky to me
...think I will wait until theres a few dozen cars out there with a year or 2 mileage on them ...anyone can make a big power kit to last 10 minutes
last time I heard it was 3 months and your on your own type thing...sounds a bit risky to me
...think I will wait until theres a few dozen cars out there with a year or 2 mileage on them ...anyone can make a big power kit to last 10 minutes
bogie said:
does it come with an unlimited mileage 12 month warranty now?
last time I heard it was 3 months and your on your own type thing...sounds a bit risky to me
...think I will wait until theres a few dozen cars out there with a year or 2 mileage on them ...anyone can make a big power kit to last 10 minutes
Not sure, but have asked.last time I heard it was 3 months and your on your own type thing...sounds a bit risky to me
...think I will wait until theres a few dozen cars out there with a year or 2 mileage on them ...anyone can make a big power kit to last 10 minutes
I think I'll likely do the same as you too tbh...the current dev car has 1k miles on. That'd be done in a month in my car.
Isnt it the paramount version of the one that RSX in the US developed?
...as per Murph, I can do 1000-2000 miles a month, with the odd trackday thrown in here and there, I want 12 months unlimited mileage/use warranty before parting with £20K for a bolt on supercharger kit .....thats what other conversions offer (in Lotus world anyway)
..some confidence is required in the test and development at that sort of price, especially if spending £20 on a £40K car, you want to know its going to last and not need a new engine in 12 months
...as per Murph, I can do 1000-2000 miles a month, with the odd trackday thrown in here and there, I want 12 months unlimited mileage/use warranty before parting with £20K for a bolt on supercharger kit .....thats what other conversions offer (in Lotus world anyway)
..some confidence is required in the test and development at that sort of price, especially if spending £20 on a £40K car, you want to know its going to last and not need a new engine in 12 months
It was ESX Motorsports that developed it. Supercharged Vantage
But, like you, I'd want a 12-month warranty. And to be able to negotiate a half-price deal as well....
But, like you, I'd want a 12-month warranty. And to be able to negotiate a half-price deal as well....
yeah ....its like £6K for a fully warrantied turnkey SC conversion on a 4 pot Elise/Exige from aftermarket (or Lotus themselves)
even if theres double the cylinders/airboxes/manifold etc thats still £12K for a charger, manifold, remap, plugs, injectors maybe
...whats the other £8K ...profit?
...got to be some margin in there for a nice warranty backup, thats for sure ........
even if theres double the cylinders/airboxes/manifold etc thats still £12K for a charger, manifold, remap, plugs, injectors maybe
...whats the other £8K ...profit?
...got to be some margin in there for a nice warranty backup, thats for sure ........
It is Paramount, but it doesn't look like the one in the pictures on the ESX site - it seems to just make the air intake box bigger with a couple of pullies for good measure.
Apparently it's 2yr warranty on parts, 12mths on labour. BUT I think this is only the bits that are bolted on.
I would guess part of the reason for the cost is the anticipated production run...and presumably the increased number of cylinders adds some complications...but whether that's 3x the price, who knows.
Apparently it's 2yr warranty on parts, 12mths on labour. BUT I think this is only the bits that are bolted on.
I would guess part of the reason for the cost is the anticipated production run...and presumably the increased number of cylinders adds some complications...but whether that's 3x the price, who knows.
nickco201 said:
It seems as though a lot of people have been frustrated by Paramount on this forum and on the AMOC forum for several things. I would want to be VERY sure of what I am getting and the actual output of it before I ordered one.
me too ....so it seems if your engine blows up, but the supercharger is ok, then you are on your own...mmmm...dosent seem to hot a deal to me on a £20K supercharger conversion ! LOL
bogie said:
nickco201 said:
It seems as though a lot of people have been frustrated by Paramount on this forum and on the AMOC forum for several things. I would want to be VERY sure of what I am getting and the actual output of it before I ordered one.
me too ....so it seems if your engine blows up, but the supercharger is ok, then you are on your own...mmmm...dosent seem to hot a deal to me on a £20K supercharger conversion ! LOL
With the price of a V8 or V12 engine in an AM, I think you are crazy to change anything that might void the warranty. Now once the car is out of warranty, things are different.
Edited by DB9VolanteDriver on Friday 2nd October 23:24
one of my main concerns would be the standard clutch, they are pretty easy to destroy under normal circumstances, Esx do state they can fit an uprated clutch, but I have not seen any figures on how long to expect the service life of the modified clutch, The extra power is nigh on useless if it can not be consistently delivered to the rear wheels,
Terminator said:
It was ESX Motorsports that developed it. Supercharged Vantage
But, like you, I'd want a 12-month warranty. And to be able to negotiate a half-price deal as well....
ESX kit is a completely different development.But, like you, I'd want a 12-month warranty. And to be able to negotiate a half-price deal as well....
bogie said:
yeah ....its like £6K for a fully warrantied turnkey SC conversion on a 4 pot Elise/Exige from aftermarket (or Lotus themselves)
even if theres double the cylinders/airboxes/manifold etc thats still £12K for a charger, manifold, remap, plugs, injectors maybe
...whats the other £8K ...profit?
...got to be some margin in there for a nice warranty backup, thats for sure ........
I don't think there's all that much margin in it, even before you start looking at the development costs, which when you're casting manifolds etc., is going to run pretty far into 5 figure sums.even if theres double the cylinders/airboxes/manifold etc thats still £12K for a charger, manifold, remap, plugs, injectors maybe
...whats the other £8K ...profit?
...got to be some margin in there for a nice warranty backup, thats for sure ........
I could be wrong here.......but wasn't the V8V engine taken from the Jag XK?
If so producing a supercharger kit would be simple Jaguar has already done all the hard work! I am assuming the 4.3 was either stroked or bored to get the extra capacity so in general the engine was just the 4.2 block and heads. A twin screw Kenne Bell can be used utilising the Jaguar manifold, pulleys, tensions and idlers all can be supplied by Jag, the biggest prob I can see would be lowering the compression which is done by using 'dished' pistons, these might have to be made.
After a remap 500+ BHP would be easy to achieve and the engines will take the extra power no problem at all.
I might not know the Aston V8V but I know my Jags.
Just a thought....I could be wrong but 20K seems a helluva lot for the upgrade!
If so producing a supercharger kit would be simple Jaguar has already done all the hard work! I am assuming the 4.3 was either stroked or bored to get the extra capacity so in general the engine was just the 4.2 block and heads. A twin screw Kenne Bell can be used utilising the Jaguar manifold, pulleys, tensions and idlers all can be supplied by Jag, the biggest prob I can see would be lowering the compression which is done by using 'dished' pistons, these might have to be made.
After a remap 500+ BHP would be easy to achieve and the engines will take the extra power no problem at all.
I might not know the Aston V8V but I know my Jags.
Just a thought....I could be wrong but 20K seems a helluva lot for the upgrade!
XKRacer said:
I could be wrong here.......but wasn't the V8V engine taken from the Jag XK?
If so producing a supercharger kit would be simple Jaguar has already done all the hard work! I am assuming the 4.3 was either stroked or bored to get the extra capacity so in general the engine was just the 4.2 block and heads. A twin screw Kenne Bell can be used utilising the Jaguar manifold, pulleys, tensions and idlers all can be supplied by Jag, the biggest prob I can see would be lowering the compression which is done by using 'dished' pistons, these might have to be made.
After a remap 500+ BHP would be easy to achieve and the engines will take the extra power no problem at all.
I might not know the Aston V8V but I know my Jags.
Just a thought....I could be wrong but 20K seems a helluva lot for the upgrade!
one would have thought so ...that there might be an off the shelf Jag manifold/kit avaialble ...would be nice ...as £20K is a bit rich ...like 25% of the cars value new, once youve factored in some new suspensions, pads, exhaust...other bits you will likely want If so producing a supercharger kit would be simple Jaguar has already done all the hard work! I am assuming the 4.3 was either stroked or bored to get the extra capacity so in general the engine was just the 4.2 block and heads. A twin screw Kenne Bell can be used utilising the Jaguar manifold, pulleys, tensions and idlers all can be supplied by Jag, the biggest prob I can see would be lowering the compression which is done by using 'dished' pistons, these might have to be made.
After a remap 500+ BHP would be easy to achieve and the engines will take the extra power no problem at all.
I might not know the Aston V8V but I know my Jags.
Just a thought....I could be wrong but 20K seems a helluva lot for the upgrade!
Stuart Dickinson said:
bogie said:
yeah ....its like £6K for a fully warrantied turnkey SC conversion on a 4 pot Elise/Exige from aftermarket (or Lotus themselves)
even if theres double the cylinders/airboxes/manifold etc thats still £12K for a charger, manifold, remap, plugs, injectors maybe
...whats the other £8K ...profit?
...got to be some margin in there for a nice warranty backup, thats for sure ........
I don't think there's all that much margin in it, even before you start looking at the development costs, which when you're casting manifolds etc., is going to run pretty far into 5 figure sums.even if theres double the cylinders/airboxes/manifold etc thats still £12K for a charger, manifold, remap, plugs, injectors maybe
...whats the other £8K ...profit?
...got to be some margin in there for a nice warranty backup, thats for sure ........
..unless of course the kit fits the 4.7 too, with a few minor changes
even then, its a tiny volume kit compared to something like a Jackson or Rotrex charger which are found on hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of cars...
I just took a look at the ESX motorsport page for the V8V. http://www.esxmotorsports.com/categories/?id=5015
Take a look, they are now claiming 600hp models.... pretty interesting. Even offer a pumped up clutch.
Also vivid racing has a brembo big brake kit for the V8V. I believe it is 15in front, 14in back.
Take a look, they are now claiming 600hp models.... pretty interesting. Even offer a pumped up clutch.
Also vivid racing has a brembo big brake kit for the V8V. I believe it is 15in front, 14in back.
Just saw they offer a 5l conversion for all V8 Vantage models (4.3 and 4.7).
http://www.esxmotorsports.com/images_products/6171...
A heavy mod, but, from the ad at least, it looks well worked out.
http://www.esxmotorsports.com/images_products/6171...
A heavy mod, but, from the ad at least, it looks well worked out.
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