New 4.7 Vantage V8 0-100-0mph

[Grant3]

The latest version of Autocar popped through the letter box today & contained within is the annual 0-100-0 run............

Blimey the new Vantage 4.7 ran a 0-100mph time of 9.86 secs 15secs 0-100-0 (with 0.59 reaction time!)
If that proves right in other tests the new V8 is pretty much as fast up to 100 as a 997GT3, which is a big step forward!

By comparison.... 0-100 & 0-100-0

the DBS took..... 10.03 / 14.8 sec
& the Jag XKR.... 11.75 / 16.55!!!
M3-convertible... 11.85 / 16.65
EVO-FQ -360...... 11.95 / 16.7

Of course there were faster

GT2......... 7.86 / 12.15
GTR......... 8.49 / 12.9
Gallardo-S.. 8.43 / 13.05

Overall Aston comparisons from past years times 0-100
4.7 AMV8...... 9.86
DBS manual... 10.03
DB9 manual... 10.24
Vanquish S.... 10.47
4.3 AMV8...... 11.5

Your thoughts folks???

Edited to add video link

http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.a...

Edited by Grant3 on Thursday 14th August 13:31

[Pugsey]

Very slow to 60 compared with bog standard (ie not 'S') 997 at 0-60 in 4.4. MK2 GT3 will go under 4 secs to 60. You changed to wrong car Grant!;)

[Grant3]

Pugsey said:

Very slow to 60 compared with bog standard (ie not 'S') 997 at 0-60 in 4.4. MK2 GT3 will go under 4 secs to 60. You changed to wrong car Grant!;)

From the man who is changing to the Californian.. I quote from this months car magazine

"come on its a cruiser aimed at rich women who usually buy Merc SLs"...

Corradi doesn't deny it, he says....

"The requirement was usability" he explains in heavily accented English, he continues....

"usability, performance & something that females can use more, I think this requirement is more matching this front engined car"

Edited to add that there is a rumour you will get a numbered Ferrari red handbag free with each £150,000 cruiser !

Edited by Grant3 on Wednesday 13th August 18:44

[Pugsey]

Grant3 said:

Pugsey said:

Very slow to 60 compared with bog standard (ie not 'S') 997 at 0-60 in 4.4. MK2 GT3 will go under 4 secs to 60. You changed to wrong car Grant!;)

From the man who is changing to the Californian.. I quote from this months car magazine

"come on its a cruiser aimed at rich women who usually buy Merc SLs"...

Corradi doesn't deny it, he says....

"The requirement was usability" he explains in heavily accented English, he continues....

"usability, performance & something that females can use more, I think this requirement is more matching this front engined car"

Edited to add that there is a rumour you will get a numbered Ferrari red handbag free with each £150,000 cruiser !

Edited by Grant3 on Wednesday 13th August 18:44

Ah ha! - A raw nerve. Listen I don't have a problem with a front engined, V8 powered, rwd Ferrari that'll go under 4 secs to 60 and is rumoured to be a fair bit quicker round the Ferrari test track than a 430 due in no small part to handling sorted be Schumi. In fact having seen and HEARD it, no problem AT ALL. Fast AND useable? - sounds good to me!

I love it when my carefully selected bait catches the exact fish I was casting for!

[Grant3]

Pugsey said:

I love it when my carefully selected bait catches the exact fish I was casting for!

I knew you were baiting me with that 997.2 PDK launch control stuff , but I just couldn't resist the C- car quote, fab don't you think? Of course it will be a lovely car for the Mrs

Joking aside I was looking around a mint black 430 the other day, with black & carbon interior, contrasting yellow stitch.. it did look stunning!

[bogie]

I thought it did very well too and even better than I expected - dont forget these are real world achieveable figures, not manufacturers ones where the test driver hammers the car all day before posting the best time with a car thats knackered by then

Funny how the F430 Scud in GT3 spec was just a few thousands of a sec quicker overall than the 'slow' Vantage too

Of the course GTR hype gains more momentum now with it bending the laws of physics - half a ton heavier than a Gallardo, 70bhp down on power, both 4wd and the GTR wins !

ps - dont tell the sports exhaust manufacturers - otherwise this will mean they will advertise " only £4K to make your 4.3 Vantage faster than an F430" etc and will have a lot of disasppointed customers

[jus]

The trouble with getting those figures out of a DBS is it has so much torque... it's incredibly hard to get a good launch!

[Pugsey]

Grant3 said:

Pugsey said:

I love it when my carefully selected bait catches the exact fish I was casting for!

I knew you were baiting me with that 997.2 PDK launch control stuff , but I just couldn't resist the C- car quote, fab don't you think? Of course it will be a lovely car for the Mrs

Joking aside I was looking around a mint black 430 the other day, with black & carbon interior, contrasting yellow stitch.. it did look stunning!

All good fun, and yes I liked those quotes too. I guess 'it's the girlfriends car' will cause a few jaws to drop when I'm fielding the inevitable petrol station forcourt questions next year!

I sense you really DO need to get the Ferrari thing out - or into - your system. Only a matter of time I think.

Why oh why Autocar didn't use a 'standard' Scud I really don't know. The race version of the 430 has completely the wrong gearing for this contest and I'm sure we would all have been much more interested to see how the AMV8 stacked up against a proper road Fezza - or indeed the fairer comparison of a 997S. All interesting but, a bit like 0-60 figs, not a huge factor in real life. Accepting that ALL of these cars are fast then there are much more important factors to consider and looking at the group pic in the mag I can't see many cars there that I'd pic over the Aston/s however much 'faster' they might be. In fact setting aside the 'race' type cars I can't see one actually.

[Grant3]

jus said:

The trouble with getting those figures out of a DBS is it has so much torque... it's incredibly hard to get a good launch!

You are right Jus, although they are comparable up to 100 above this the DBS's extra grunt pays off for example at the end of the mile straight...............
the 4.7 V8 was doing a respectable 159.5, but the DBS was doing 164.5 !

What this says to me isn't that the V8 is better than or faster than XYZ, but it is now on the money, it is as fast as (or a little faster!!) the Audi R8, M6, 997 Porker etc & much closer to the more expensive Lambo... good news IMO

Pugs the strange thing is Ferrari never supply an F-car for this... I wonder why ????

Edited by Grant3 on Thursday 14th August 08:50

[bmartin]

Grant, could you share the 0-60 time from autocar for the 4.7 ?

[Grant3]

bmartin said:

Grant, could you share the 0-60 time from autocar for the 4.7 ?

0-60 was 4.57 secs, personally I always feel the 0-100 is more representative of real world performance as the 0-60 is so much more about how easily the car will launch (& how often do we do that in the real world!), which is why Pork with all that rear end weight over the rear wheels & 4WD beasts do particularly well!

[Grant3]

Brief VIDEO now on-line
Enjoy......................

http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.a...

Although I can't believe the V8 did the claimed run speed on the VIDEO, in the mag it did 15 secs 0-100-0 on the video on a damp track it did 12.28 , nice to believe that was the case but that was faster than the GT2 & Gallardo... which is highly unlikely!!!

Edited by Grant3 on Thursday 14th August 13:57

[Pugsey]

Grant3 said:

Pugs the strange thing is Ferrari never supply an F-car for this... I wonder why ????

Either they have nothing to prove in the willy waving stakes or it's political as they happily supplied a Scuderia to EVO. 0-100 7.7 (beaten only by Atom and Brooke and equaling R500) 0-100-0(inc. reaction time) 12.6.........

Retires (smuggly) to safe distance.

[jus]

Grant3 said:

jus said:

The trouble with getting those figures out of a DBS is it has so much torque... it's incredibly hard to get a good launch!

You are right Jus, although they are comparable up to 100 above this the DBS's extra grunt pays off for example at the end of the mile straight...............
the 4.7 V8 was doing a respectable 159.5, but the DBS was doing 164.5 !

What this says to me isn't that the V8 is better than or faster than XYZ, but it is now on the money, it is as fast as (or a little faster!!) the Audi R8, M6, 997 Porker etc & much closer to the more expensive Lambo... good news IMO

Pugs the strange thing is Ferrari never supply an F-car for this... I wonder why ????

Edited by Grant3 on Thursday 14th August 08:50

Agreed, the Vantage is now where it really should've been all along! Hooray!

[Grant3]

Pugsey said:

Grant3 said:

Pugs the strange thing is Ferrari never supply an F-car for this... I wonder why ????

Either they have nothing to prove in the willy waving stakes or it's political as they happily supplied a Scuderia to EVO. 0-100 7.7 (beaten only by Atom and Brooke and equaling R500) 0-100-0(inc. reaction time) 12.6.........
Retires (smuggly) to safe distance.

Less of the smugly if you read the article in Evo Ferrari sent their car for the test with a full team... a race technician, test driver & engineer. Evos own runs got the Scud in to low 8 secs to 100 the Ferrari crew changed the tyres & tweeked the car to help achieve 7.7 to a ton, typical Ferrari IMO, that's why they won't allow play on the 0-100-0.

That said the 430 Scud is a stunning car, fanbloodytastic, but should be for £200k with decent options!

[Pugsey]

Grant3 said:

Pugsey said:

Grant3 said:

Pugs the strange thing is Ferrari never supply an F-car for this... I wonder why ????

Either they have nothing to prove in the willy waving stakes or it's political as they happily supplied a Scuderia to EVO. 0-100 7.7 (beaten only by Atom and Brooke and equaling R500) 0-100-0(inc. reaction time) 12.6.........
Retires (smuggly) to safe distance.

Less of the smugly if you read the article in Evo Ferrari sent their car for the test with a full team... a race technician, test driver & engineer. Evos own runs got the Scud in to low 8 secs to 100 the Ferrari crew changed the tyres & tweeked the car to help achieve 7.7 to a ton, typical Ferrari IMO, that's why they won't allow play on the 0-100-0.

That said the 430 Scud is a stunning car, fanbloodytastic, but should be for £200k with decent options!

Seems Ferrari are the ones everyone wants to beat, knock, etc. etc.............must be nice to be the ones to beat.
Having been around a fair few of these tests over the years I'd be VERY suprised if ALL the cars supplied to Autocar had merely been given a wash and brush up before being delivered.

That said, of all the real road cars cars there, only the two Astons would make me open my cheque book. Well the GTR as well I guess but only out of 'interest' rather than 'desire'. Only the right Ferrari would get a sniff at my bank balance ahead of those three - and there wasn't one there.

All interesting stuff as we've said and I agree it's good that the Vantage now punches it's weight although why oh why no PDK 997S which despite being cheaper must still be the logical comparible. However, in the final analysis nothing in that test would influence my next purchase frankly.

You big day draws near then. Got that run to the Italian lakes booked yet? PLEASE tell me this isn't going to be another sub 4,000 miles in 18 months car - it's to good for that!

[Grant3]

Pugsey said:

Having been around a fair few of these tests over the years I'd be VERY suprised if ALL the cars supplied to Autocar had merely been given a wash and brush up before being delivered.

Good point, the Autocar guys were probably wondering what the wooshing noise was coming from under the Vantage's bonnet area, Aston are cunning at hiding the odd Turbo, it must have had one for that Video time !!!

Edit to change my smilie!!!!

Edited by Grant3 on Thursday 14th August 15:14

[Pugsey]

Grant3 said:

Pugsey said:

Having been around a fair few of these tests over the years I'd be VERY suprised if ALL the cars supplied to Autocar had merely been given a wash and brush up before being delivered.

Good point, the Autocar guys were probably wondering what the wooshing noise was coming from under the Vantage's bonnet area, Aston are cunning at hiding the odd Turbo, it must have had one for that Video time !!!

Edit to change my smilie!!!!

Edited by Grant3 on Thursday 14th August 15:14

And what was so clever about that GTR on wet grass - nothing my Landie can't do!

[sadlerj]

Pugsey said:

Why oh why Autocar didn't use a 'standard' Scud I really don't know.

I know, as it would kill the clutch. My mate tried one ONE launch control in his Scud and the clutch was toast, he has taken it up with Ferrari but they are insisting there is no problem with the launch control, so he has a bill for £3500 for a new clutch after 4000 miles. He will not be buying a 'bloody Fiat' again. In comparison a LP540-4 Gallardo did over 30 LC starts and the GT2 we were playing with was just a monster. Also there were a few GT-R's at Silverstone the other day and chatting with a man from Nissan there was one that has done over 450 LC starts. If this is not enough of a reason to not get a fezzer then I don't know what is.

ps the GT2 was much much quicker than the Gallardo or Scud at Brunters...

[jus]

Stuff launch control and complicated robomatic gearboxes, chaps. I have decided that nothing beats the sheer joy of a good old stick and pedal! Have been in a quandry as to whether to order the DBS in the new manumatic gearbox or stick with the manual, but after driving the manual DBS back to back with an automatic DB9, there is no doubt in my mind!

Except of course, when I'm in the M6 and I hit a spot of traffic... then thank god for SMG! But that's what dailies are for...