RE: Aston Martin DBS

RE: Aston Martin DBS

Monday 24th March 2008

Aston Martin DBS

Since its launch Aston has made improvements to the DBS - but is it now as good as a Ferrari 599 GTB? Steve Sutcliffe finds out...



Here, in a nutshell, is the theory behind the creation of the Aston Martin DBS. On the one hand Aston Martin knew that it needed desperately to replace the antiquated but much loved Vanquish before it could claim to offer a full range of cars. But on the other it knew, too, that its fastest and hardest hitting offering would always struggle against the likes of the Lamborghini Murcielago and Ferrari 599 GTB. The DBS, after all, is little more than a pumped up DB9. With styling tweaks courtesy of Richard Grant and an interior that would appear largely to have been designed by Ray Charles.


And yet… there’s actually something quite smart about where, precisely, Aston has positioned the DBS, even though to begin with its £160,000 price seems comically out of kilter with reality. But if you think about it, the DBS finds itself all alone in the market place because it’s more expensive than any Porsche, yet cheaper and almost as quick as a Murcielago or 599 GTB. Which makes you wonder whether Aston Martin hasn’t, in fact, been rather clever in this instance.

Whether you like the way it looks or not (being a tart I am not adverse to a big wing here or a side skirt there, even if the DBS does appear somewhat bolt-on for a £160,000 Aston Martin) there is no denying the mechanical integrity of the car. It may be little more than a breathed on DB9, but given how sweet the basic car is that’s no bad thing, especially since the breathing in this case is of the psychotically heavy and sweaty variety.

The fundamentals of the engine remain largely unfettled but by concentrating on making it breathe more freely at high revs Aston’s engineers (unaided by Ford this time round) have extracted another 60bhp from the DB9’s 6.0-litre V12. There’s a new bypass valve in the inlet port while the ports themselves have been reprofiled to improve airflow, and the exhaust is virtually all new.


Looking at the numbers there’s not a lot of difference low down, to the extent that the torque figure of 420lb ft remains unchanged and is, in fact, not developed until 750rpm higher than in the standard DB9 (5750rpm v 5000rpm). Instead the DBS is designed to do the business on the other side of 5000rpm, hence the reason it revs 500rpm higher and doesn’t deliver its 510bhp until 6500rpm (the standard DB9 develops 450bhp/6000rpm).

Encouragingly, it also weighs less than the regular car, despite its extra bodywork. How so?Most of that bodywork is made from carbon fibre while the brake discs are made from ceramics. Result; a 65kg reduction in kerbweight to 1695kg, which means a meaningful jump in both power and torque-to-weight ratios (from 255bhp per tonne to 300, and from 238lb ft per tonne to 247).


You may already have read one or two of the launch stories about the DBS – about its edgy handling, strangely soft chassis and odd dynamic personality in general. Well scrap all that because, since then, Aston Martin has apparently rethought the DBS’ chassis settings and revised the way the dampers respond, not just in Sport mode but Comfort, too. And the good news is; the revisions have worked.

Originally Aston’s chassis boys did all the things you’d expect them to do; they fitted stiffer springs, beefier anti-roll bars, bolted on a set of massive Pirelli P-Zero tyres, widened the tracks front and rear and specified monster carbon ceramic brakes to sit behind the new lightweight 20in wheels. Yet the results, somehow, just didn’t add up. According to one or two people who drove the car on its launch (and these were people who knew what they were talking about, rather the ones who turn up in search of a free lunch) the DBS didn’t know quite what it wanted to be on the road. It was too soft to be a sports car, too edgy to be a Grand Tourer.

There is still something curious about this car’s cabin, which features a fine basic driving position but ergonomics so misguided it’s hard to know whether to laugh or cry, but on the road the DBS is now all but sorted. It has a fluidity to its handling and steering that makes even a Ferrari 599 seem flaky in certain circumstances (particularly on a wet or especially bumpy road surface). It’s much improved, in other words, where it really counts. And there was never any doubt about the way it goes in a straight line. Although the V12 lacks what you’d call huge urge below 3000rpm it really does deliver over the last 2500rpm, and it sounds absolutely sensational as it does so. Forget the fact that the dials rotate in the wrong direction and that the sat nav system feels desperately out dated compared with rival systems – because when the DBS comes alive, usually at around 5000rpm in any of the last five gears, it’s amazing how quickly its various issues fade into the background. Even the gearchange is much improved (ignore the lever itself, if you can) while the throttle response, and weight, have also been retuned to make the driving experience feel as cohesive as possible.


It works, too, because the DBS is now one of those cars in which you can get completely carried away by the moment, not to mention by its pure performance. When Autocar road tested the car recently it got to 60mph in 4.2sec, 100mph in 8.7sec and didn’t run out of puff until 194mph. Better still, it got within just 0.6sec of the Ferrari 599’s lap time around the dry handling circuit at MIRA, not because it could match the GTB down the straights (it couldn’t) but because it hung on better, and was easier to drive, through virtually every corner.

In the end the DBS is very nearly a very good car, one that’s endured a rather painful birth and, since then, been improved in several key areas. It may not have quite the same charisma of the Vanquish but, in most areas, it is a massively better car than its predecessor. And as an alternative to a Ferrari 599 it makes a surprisingly good case for itself – especially if, and when, they get round to rethinking that strange interior.  

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Baffled Spoon

Original Poster:

5,252 posts

199 months

Monday 24th March 2008
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I like the car, but the price still seams steep imo. For that money I'd rather get a regular DB9 for the long distance jaunts and a lotus 2-eleven for some proper track fun.

Agoogy

7,274 posts

253 months

Monday 24th March 2008
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If I actually had £160k to legitimately blow on a car I think I'd set aside a good 12 months to totally immerse myself in research and magazine/brochure and test drive heaven.... and then... I don't know...this thing is just so beautiful. DB9 may be purer, the DB8 might be neater and more compact... but even so I'm sure this would be very high up the list JUST for the way it looks.

£160k though...that buys a pretty inspiring multiple car garage... confused

Mr Whippy

29,466 posts

246 months

Monday 24th March 2008
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I think a year in the P1 club or Ecurie 25, decide which you like, then buy it a year old for a load less wonga too smile

Dave

LongLiveTazio

2,714 posts

202 months

Monday 24th March 2008
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Given how few they're making I reckon they'll hold their price really well.

Very desirable IMO.

peter450

1,650 posts

238 months

Monday 24th March 2008
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It's nice but the changes don't run deep enough, it's just a tweaked db9 at the end of the day and thats always going to weigh down on the car, if they had done something more outrageous like maybe stretching that v12 out to a bigger capacity or upping the horsepower by a 150 then it might make more of a case for itself

The new Vantage RS is much better done, a genuinely differant version of the v8, that is a car that will likely cost the same & hold it's value far better than this



Edited by peter450 on Monday 24th March 17:25

GingerWizard

4,721 posts

203 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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I can't wait for the new V12 aston, this would do me for the weekend though...

  • Gingerwizard takes more mad pills*

williamp

19,481 posts

278 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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Agoogy said:
If I actually had £160k to legitimately blow on a car I think I'd set aside a good 12 months to totally immerse myself in research and magazine/brochure and test drive heaven.... and then... I don't know...this thing is just so beautiful. DB9 may be purer, the DB8 might be neater and more compact... but even so I'm sure this would be very high up the list JUST for the way it looks.

£160k though...that buys a pretty inspiring multiple car garage... confused
Absolutly. That DB8. What a car.... censored

MogulBoy

2,962 posts

228 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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I think they have slightly overdone the tarty looks on the DBS. Although I wouldn't go as far as saying that they have runined it.

For £160k I would take a new Conti GT Speed, keep the change and buy a used V8 Vantage in due course!

ross_stig

35,500 posts

217 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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williamp said:
Agoogy said:
If I actually had £160k to legitimately blow on a car I think I'd set aside a good 12 months to totally immerse myself in research and magazine/brochure and test drive heaven.... and then... I don't know...this thing is just so beautiful. DB9 may be purer, the DB8 might be neater and more compact... but even so I'm sure this would be very high up the list JUST for the way it looks.

£160k though...that buys a pretty inspiring multiple car garage... confused
Absolutly. That DB8. What a car.... censored
DB8 confused didn't realise they did one, thought it went db7 straigh to db9? no???

whoami

13,154 posts

245 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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ross_stig said:
williamp said:
Agoogy said:
If I actually had £160k to legitimately blow on a car I think I'd set aside a good 12 months to totally immerse myself in research and magazine/brochure and test drive heaven.... and then... I don't know...this thing is just so beautiful. DB9 may be purer, the DB8 might be neater and more compact... but even so I'm sure this would be very high up the list JUST for the way it looks.

£160k though...that buys a pretty inspiring multiple car garage... confused
Absolutly. That DB8. What a car.... censored
DB8 confused didn't realise they did one, thought it went db7 straigh to db9? no???
hehe

dinkel

27,109 posts

263 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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PH said:
. . . it could match the GTB down the straights (it couldn’t) but because it hung on better, and was easier to drive, through virtually every corner.
'Easier to drive . . .' that makes it a bit boring, right?

nick355gts

128 posts

210 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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OK, Now i had a debate at the weekend! "confused"
A friend said he saw a DB8 on the road, i was adament that there is no DB8, as AM marketing decided for some US confusion reasons to call it the v8 Vantage.. now he sent some pics of a "DB8" that look the same as the baby Aston..

So, is there a DB8 in production or is this just a nickname for the V8?

Cheers

Nick

sprinter885

11,550 posts

232 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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Think he just missed the V out !! Or trying to be clever & creating a new nickname for it....

sparks87

12,738 posts

218 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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There is no DB8. The range over the past 8 years has been;

DB7 Vantage (discontinued)
Vanquish (Discontinued)
Vanquish S (Discontinued)
DB9
V8 Vantage
DBS


The story I heard about the dropping of the DB8 name in favor of DB9 is that the 9 was such a step forward for Aston over the ancient DB7 that it deserved to be called DB9.

dinkel

27,109 posts

263 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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I just hope Aston comes with new looks on the DB10.

Y2K

5 posts

280 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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IN 2.5yrs time these will b fetchin £75k, which gives u a ideal of the quality, defo not to be compared to a 599GTB which (still fetch £20k over list 1.5yrs odd) is a totally different class/ league.


p.s. my neighbour has escort cosworth does 0-60 in 3.2secs and 195mph just because its fast dont mean its in the same class/ league as a 599GTB/ Lambo LP640

whoami

13,154 posts

245 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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Y2K said:
IN 2.5yrs time these will b fetchin £75k, which gives u a ideal of the quality, defo not to be compared to a 599GTB which (still fetch £20k over list 1.5yrs odd) is a totally different class/ league.


p.s. my neighbour has escort cosworth does 0-60 in 3.2secs and 195mph just because its fast dont mean its in the same class/ league as a 599GTB/ Lambo LP640
Thanks for the insight

mc_blue

2,548 posts

223 months

Tuesday 25th March 2008
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Y2K - regular poster aren't you (guess I'll have to wait a year for your reply).

I do see some appeal to this, I don't think the kit is too great however.

If they're making the mad B12 RS where will that slot in the range, above this at around £200,000?

ZesPak

24,810 posts

201 months

Wednesday 26th March 2008
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dinkel said:
I just hope Aston comes with new looks on the DB10.
Like porsche does every time 'round biggrin

Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 26th March 07:23

dinkel

27,109 posts

263 months

Wednesday 26th March 2008
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They do get boring to look at don't they?