db7 vantage won't start, any pointers?

db7 vantage won't start, any pointers?

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petecowie

Original Poster:

190 posts

232 months

Sunday 21st October 2007
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Hi, go tin my 2001 Vantage on Saturday, inserted the key pressed the button and nothing, well except for a single click. I have checked every fuse, the fuel cut off switch, tried arming and disarming alarm with both sets fo keys and the battery seems fine, the car isn't even trying to start. Does anyone have an idea of what else I should try. I have also posted on amoc but have only had a few responses so please suggest away. Being a computer bod I am tempted to disconnect the battery for a while and see if that makes a difference (the old reboot!)

The only clue I have is two high pitched tones one 3 seconds after turning key to ignition 2 and the other another 5 seconds later.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Pete

Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

276 months

Sunday 21st October 2007
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petecowie said:
Hi, go tin my 2001 Vantage on Saturday, inserted the key pressed the button and nothing, well except for a single click. I have checked every fuse, the fuel cut off switch, tried arming and disarming alarm with both sets fo keys and the battery seems fine, the car isn't even trying to start. Does anyone have an idea of what else I should try. I have also posted on amoc but have only had a few responses so please suggest away. Being a computer bod I am tempted to disconnect the battery for a while and see if that makes a difference (the old reboot!)

The only clue I have is two high pitched tones one 3 seconds after turning key to ignition 2 and the other another 5 seconds later.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Pete
Wild stab in the dark but maybe the starter motor is jammed in the starter ring gear, thus providing a click when the solenoid works, but not turning the engine?

You could (at your own risk!!!) try putting the car in first gear and rocking it backwards and forwards. This sometimes frees it off.


V8LM

5,235 posts

214 months

Sunday 21st October 2007
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Except on the AMOC forum you didn't mention the click! Clicking is usually a sign of low voltage - they do require quite a bit of juice to start. If it's a jammed starter, try putting it in a high gear and rocking forwards and back a few times.

petecowie

Original Poster:

190 posts

232 months

Sunday 21st October 2007
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aaah, ok, thought I had, got a friend coming round so will try jumping it and (hopefully) going for a drive and see what happens

petecowie

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190 posts

232 months

Sunday 21st October 2007
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jump start didn't sort out the problem, not sure what to try next or who to call to get someone round to look at it

wezzer-45's

187 posts

208 months

Monday 22nd October 2007
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Hi,
Have you checked the battery 'off' button? The floor pannel on some cars was too tight arround the 'off' switch which causes the switch to stick in and so doesn't allow the battey to switch on properly.
Try and pop out the 'off' switch from the floor trim so that it can't stick in, and then firmly press the 'on' button at the front of the boot.
Then try and start the car. Fingers crossed it'll be ok.

petecowie

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190 posts

232 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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to be honest I looked for the battery switch and couldn't find it (no doubt it's staring at me) plus I would ahve thought that if the switch was off I would get no electrics at all(?) I plugged in the battery conditioner at 10pm last night when I got home from work and will check it tonight. Out of interest where exactly is the battery switch I have the built in tool box and the battery housing for reference.

Thanks
Pete

AstonZagato

12,910 posts

215 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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Manual or Auto?

The reason for asking is that perhaps one of the relays that prevents the car from starting when in gear is faulty?

petecowie

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190 posts

232 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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manual car, this is the only problem as cars get more complicated far more to go wrong, my first car was an MGB and it was far easier to diagnose!

AstonZagato

12,910 posts

215 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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I didn't have a manual but did you have to depress the clutch to start - I know that DB9 manuals have this feature? The reason I ask is the switch on the clutch pedal has been known to go awol, leading to similar situations.

petecowie

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190 posts

232 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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yes car requires a clutch depress to start but the click is different when clutch pressed or up so I assume switch is working fine. I am leaving work to go home now so will know whether it was a flat batter in about 90 minutes....

petecowie

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190 posts

232 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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well home work went out and no change frown The conditioner has been on for 24 hours, surley this is enough? Also can someone please describe where the batter cut off is located (is there definitely one?) Getting to the point when I will have to call someone out just not sure who...

alderley

184 posts

238 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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petecowie said:
well home work went out and no change where the batter cut off is located (is there definitely one?) ...
Assuming yours is like my '03 DB7 vantage, you lift the boot floor panel. The charger socket is on your right, beyond the disk changer unit. The battery disconnect switch is between the two. Another idea would be to check your battery terminals are really tight. (I had this problem earlier today in my TVR).

V8LM

5,235 posts

214 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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Sounds like a knackered battery. And not sure a 2001 Vantage has a cut-off switch either.

petecowie

Original Poster:

190 posts

232 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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dashed home from work and bought new battery switched over and exactly the same symptoms, only thing to add now is as I park on a slope (which I am running out of) I have put the car in gear and by dropping the clutch a little and releasing managed to move the car a little whilst in gear, although the car still won;t start the next time I try to start a get a continuous clicking rather than a single click.

Can anyone please suggest what next, do I upgrade my RAC membership and get them out, are they even going to be of any use Or can someone please reccomend someone in the colchester area (Essex/Suffolk border) who would be able to come and have a look..

Once again any help much appreciated frown

wezzer-45's

187 posts

208 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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I'm sure that if you have a battery conditioner plug in your boot you should also have a square battery of button right next to it and your on button is on the front of the plastic floor trim just above the tool kit. There is a plastic cap covering a hole and the on button is behind that.
There is also an issue on early V12 cars to replace the engine 2 piece earth lead for a 1 piece lead. some cars had poor/non start issues due to high resistance in this lead. You can try putting a good jump lead from your alternator bracket to a good earth point, this will improve your earth if you have a dodgy earth lead.
You may also have a loose battery cable on your starter motor, I've also seen this on a few cars. I'ts a bit difficult to get to unless you have the car on a lift.
Hope this helps you out.

alderley

184 posts

238 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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wezzer-45's said:
You may also have a loose battery cable on your starter motor, I've also seen this on a few cars. I'ts a bit difficult to get to unless you have the car on a lift.
Hope this helps you out.
I would bypass the electronics and supply voltage to the cable feeding the starter solenoid (red/white wire on many cars). If the starter turns, the fault is in the control systems/fuses. If the starter does not turn and you know the battery is OK, the fault has to be in the solenoid (which switches in the big current at the starter) or the starter itself. If a cable is run from the battery positive to the large terminal on the starter it will either turn (solenoid faulty) or not (starter faulty). For the little it would cost, maybe AA or RAC at home service would be a cheap solution. They will do the tests I describe. Hope this helps.

petecowie

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190 posts

232 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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thanks for the responses, will have a try with this at the weekend, far too dark by the time i get home from work to try anything, will post on here my findings...
Thanks
Pete

f328nvl

507 posts

223 months

Thursday 1st November 2007
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Mine did the same a few years back. Sounds like the switch on the clutch pedal is worth investigating. If the switch fails it'll not start. They are £60.06 to buy but solve the problem instantly. I wouldn't try and jump start a 6.0 litre V12 (if it's a vantage), it'll probably not damage it, but it also probably won't work!

jg

mini*drummer

3,499 posts

218 months

Saturday 3rd November 2007
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Hi Pete.
Just has an ask around at work (I work at an aston dealer)
Do you have an illuminated starter button?? if so when you put your foot on the clutch it should light up.
if you don't to be honest it still sounds like the clutch switch. We have changed a few of these in the past..
unfortunately there's no easy way of testing it.
HTH
Tim.

Edited by mini*drummer on Saturday 3rd November 08:48