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15:50
Not wishing to ruin somebody's sale just for the heck of it........BUT for sale on EBAY at the moment (10 Oct) is an
ASTON MARTIN VANTAGE V8 - Category "D" accident damaged.
http://cgi.ebay.com/damaged-2006-ASTON-MARTIN-VANT...
This vehicle was MINE.......UNTIL when driving back from the Le Mans 24hour race last June with my mate, we were involved in bad accident.
Sadly the Aston was so badly damaged that it was "written off". Impact speed was about 120mph (combined) - the other vehicle was written off too.
Thankfully & quite unbelievably no-one was hurt.
In my opinion the damage details listed on the EBAY by the advertiser does NOT appear to be complete.
Having had a long conversation with the engineers at Panelwise and the Aston Martin engineers at HWM - it was pointed out that the "Tub" (chassis) is infact "buckled" in TWO places. This item needs replacing. It is a £19000 piece. In addition to this TWO alloy wheels and two tyres need replacing. Suspension (front near side)hub,brake discs,calipers on the same corner need replacement. Ive no idea about the damage to the steering arms,ball joints etc.
By complete coincidence - my mate (who was driving it at the time) was at a car auction last week - he was gobsmacked to see this VERY car up for sale!
My friend questioned as to whether just "patching" the chassis would effect the cars strength and integrity. He was told "No".
What planet are these people from? OF COURSE it will.
I was told it would take 310 hours of labour to repair it. I was also told that the repair costs would be a MINIMUM of @£26k.
PLEASE BEWARE IF PURCHASING THIS VEHICLE.
I AM ONLY HIGHLIGHTING THIS BECAUSE I FEEL EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE THAT SOME UNSUSPECTING BUYER WOULD NOT KNOW THE FULL TRUTH RE THE DAMAGE.
And i certainly dont want anybody stepping into and driving a car that has been "patched"!
Cheers
Not wishing to ruin somebody's sale just for the heck of it........BUT for sale on EBAY at the moment (10 Oct) is an
ASTON MARTIN VANTAGE V8 - Category "D" accident damaged.
http://cgi.ebay.com/damaged-2006-ASTON-MARTIN-VANT...
This vehicle was MINE.......UNTIL when driving back from the Le Mans 24hour race last June with my mate, we were involved in bad accident.
Sadly the Aston was so badly damaged that it was "written off". Impact speed was about 120mph (combined) - the other vehicle was written off too.
Thankfully & quite unbelievably no-one was hurt.
In my opinion the damage details listed on the EBAY by the advertiser does NOT appear to be complete.
Having had a long conversation with the engineers at Panelwise and the Aston Martin engineers at HWM - it was pointed out that the "Tub" (chassis) is infact "buckled" in TWO places. This item needs replacing. It is a £19000 piece. In addition to this TWO alloy wheels and two tyres need replacing. Suspension (front near side)hub,brake discs,calipers on the same corner need replacement. Ive no idea about the damage to the steering arms,ball joints etc.
By complete coincidence - my mate (who was driving it at the time) was at a car auction last week - he was gobsmacked to see this VERY car up for sale!
My friend questioned as to whether just "patching" the chassis would effect the cars strength and integrity. He was told "No".
What planet are these people from? OF COURSE it will.
I was told it would take 310 hours of labour to repair it. I was also told that the repair costs would be a MINIMUM of @£26k.
PLEASE BEWARE IF PURCHASING THIS VEHICLE.
I AM ONLY HIGHLIGHTING THIS BECAUSE I FEEL EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE THAT SOME UNSUSPECTING BUYER WOULD NOT KNOW THE FULL TRUTH RE THE DAMAGE.
And i certainly dont want anybody stepping into and driving a car that has been "patched"!
Cheers
Thanks guys.....I hope Ive been quite prudent by first contacting Aston Martin at Weybridge.....and then speaking to the "right" person at Aston Martin HQ in Gaydon.
They now have the VIN number of the vehicle....and will NOT be supplying "structural" parts for this vehicle (UNLESS it is being repaired at an approved repair centre.(Unlikely!????)
Myself and my mate are still good friends.....to be honest I called "clear"....so Im just as much to blame.....and he did a sterling job avoiding a "full frontal" impact....aswell as after impact in trying to control the world's only Aston Martin three wheeler!
A humbling lesson quite honestly. And not one we're proud of.
Cheers.
They now have the VIN number of the vehicle....and will NOT be supplying "structural" parts for this vehicle (UNLESS it is being repaired at an approved repair centre.(Unlikely!????)
Myself and my mate are still good friends.....to be honest I called "clear"....so Im just as much to blame.....and he did a sterling job avoiding a "full frontal" impact....aswell as after impact in trying to control the world's only Aston Martin three wheeler!
A humbling lesson quite honestly. And not one we're proud of.
Cheers.
hi i am the director of the salvage company that has sold the aston, can i point out that the two bad marks on ebay, was selling a car that was damagedat the rear, these car are open to veiw and we always expect bidders to ask any questions, the buyers twelve year old son bid on this car(thats ebay) the second was a false bidder with -1 feedback.
anyway the aston has been sold to a body repairer who will repair the car and then have it autoligned to check the repair, i sold the car with a second hand wing and two second hand wheels, the car is very repairable we have had a quote from a aston cat 2 repairer of 3200 pounds and we would have had it repaired if it was not sold with a total cost in the car of £54,000 which is a cheap cat d car , can i also point out i have been in the bussiness for 20yrs, and if companys like mine did not pay this amount of money for SALVAGE which is what it is, people like you would be moaning alot more, as your car would have been repaired and you would have had to drive around in that loan car untill it was repaired, or you would not have been paid out that 78k you got from the insurer, i will answer any questions you like in this matter as i am really p-ssed at some at the quotations, but am a little busy now to take in all the dialog
anyway the aston has been sold to a body repairer who will repair the car and then have it autoligned to check the repair, i sold the car with a second hand wing and two second hand wheels, the car is very repairable we have had a quote from a aston cat 2 repairer of 3200 pounds and we would have had it repaired if it was not sold with a total cost in the car of £54,000 which is a cheap cat d car , can i also point out i have been in the bussiness for 20yrs, and if companys like mine did not pay this amount of money for SALVAGE which is what it is, people like you would be moaning alot more, as your car would have been repaired and you would have had to drive around in that loan car untill it was repaired, or you would not have been paid out that 78k you got from the insurer, i will answer any questions you like in this matter as i am really p-ssed at some at the quotations, but am a little busy now to take in all the dialog
rev-erend said:
Looks like Ebay have removed the listing ..
Good thing too.
It's almost criminal that the insurers sell on cars that are in such bad shape. Broken for scrap .. is fine but the thought of an expensive and badly repaired car being sold on ..
the ad was taken off ebay as it had sold, insurers send out tenders for most vehicles with high value so people have the choice as to pass the car on or have it repairedGood thing too.
It's almost criminal that the insurers sell on cars that are in such bad shape. Broken for scrap .. is fine but the thought of an expensive and badly repaired car being sold on ..
i can assure you that unless the car is properly repaired Autolign will not " sign it off".
I have bought many salvage cars over the years and repaired each one carefully, (sometimes costing far more than they were worth!)
I wholeheartedly agree with the salvage company .
Another point worth making that if 'salvage ' cars did not sell for large amounts, you, the general public would pay a large amount more for your insurance premiums.
The only thing i would like to see is ALL salvage cars being forced to pass a test to check the quality of the repair before being put on the road or sold.
I have bought many salvage cars over the years and repaired each one carefully, (sometimes costing far more than they were worth!)
I wholeheartedly agree with the salvage company .
Another point worth making that if 'salvage ' cars did not sell for large amounts, you, the general public would pay a large amount more for your insurance premiums.
The only thing i would like to see is ALL salvage cars being forced to pass a test to check the quality of the repair before being put on the road or sold.
PrestigeSalvage
Firstly - thank you for replying.
Please take a moment to read pertinent comments taken from MY postings regarding this topic
MANX said:
-Not wishing to ruin somebody's sale just for the heck of it.......
-This vehicle was MINE.
-In my opinion the damage details listed on the EBAY by the advertiser does NOT appear to be complete.
-engineers at Panelwise and the Aston Martin engineers at HWM - it was pointed out that the "Tub" (chassis) is infact "buckled"
in TWO places.
-This item needs replacing. It is a £19000 piece.
-the chassis is damaged in TWO places,(the advert)does NOT mention that TWO alloy wheels and TWO tyres will have to be replaced,and does
NOT mention the quarter window and wing mirrorwill need replacing.
-Suspension (front near side)hub,brake discs,calipers on the same corner need replacement. Ive no idea about the damage to
the steering arms,ball joints etc.
-I was told it would take 310 hours of labour to repair it. I was also told that the repair costs would be a MINIMUM of @£26k.
AND
PLEASE BEWARE IF PURCHASING THIS VEHICLE.
I AM ONLY HIGHLIGHTING THIS BECAUSE I FEEL EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE THAT SOME UNSUSPECTING BUYER WOULD NOT KNOW
THE FULL TRUTH RE THE DAMAGE.
I would just like to add a few points
IF you consider your advert on Ebay was FULL & ACCURATE - then why did you omit the damage that Ive listed above?
It sits uncomfortably with me that the vehicle MAY not be properly repaired i.e AT NO COST SPARED - or repaired in such a way that a future buyer is UNAWARE of ALL the damage and consequently driving a high performance vehicle that's not quite right!
Why do I think this?
1) Look at your advert on Ebay - it's rather economical with the truth!
2) My quote for repair was £43k from Aston Martin - yours is SIGNIFICANTLY less - £3200 labour + £11k parts?
3) Aston Martin STRONGLY recommended REPLACING the "Tub" - clearly you or your buyer were or are not going to do this.
4) This vehicle is a relatively high performance vehicle - it is NOT a run of the mill family hatchback - therefore PROPER
repair/replacement of parts is in my humble opinion crucial.
5) I do NOT believe that just "patching"/repairing the "tub" of this high performance vehicle is adequate - by doing such a money
saving repair - then surely the strength&integrity of the chassis MUST be compromised in some way.
6) It is ONLY my personal opinion - but I would NOT be happy or feel 100% safe driving a vehicle repaired in such a way.
HENCE MY POST
Now to answer the following comment that YOU posted
"if companys like mine did not pay this amount of money for SALVAGE which is what it is, people like you would be moaning alot more, as your car would have been repaired and you would have had to drive around in that loan car untill it was repaired, or you would not have been paid out that 78k you got from the insurer,"
We should be THANKFUL for the salvage companies should we?
You wouldn't be in the salvage business if it wasn't good money - so don't insinuate to me that people like me should be grateful!
You bought the vehicle for £38k at auction - the highest bid via the internet prior to the auction was £32k - the amount of money you paid was driven by the auction and NOT by the demands of the insurance company who would have probably settled for less!
You then sold the car via Ebay - with a cool £5k premium! Not bad work if you can get it!
You buy the written-off vehicles at auction from insurance companies (who don't care who they sell too as they are ONLY looking to dilute their costs) - then you look to make as much money as you can out of the car- obviously.
The insurance companies are in my opinion just as responsible for putting UNSAFE cars back on the road as YOUR industry may be - or atleast cars that aren't 100% safe.
Unfortunately for YOU - the industry you are in does NOT have itself the BEST of reputations.
Historic examples of mis-selling,mis-representation, sketchy advertising and "dodgy' repair jobs are but a few of the problems that REPUTABLE salvage companies have to overcome.
I ENTIRELY agree with HazzardV8 who says: The only thing i would like to see is ALL salvage cars being forced to pass a test to check the quality of the repair before being put on the road or sold.
However HazzardV8 when you say: if 'salvage ' cars did not sell for large amounts, you, the general public would pay a large amount more for your insurance premiums" - then my reply to that is -well that may be the case - but I would rather pay a few more quid on my premium to ensure that unsafe cars were either repaired PROPERLY or broken for parts or even crushed - rather than those cars getting back on the road and being a potential accident waiting to happen.
I bet the £38k my vehicle sold for at auction was SIGNIFICANTLY more than the opening bid was - indicating there was good money to be made!
PrestigeSalvage
Final two points - I was happier to have the vehicle written-off - rather than even to have it repaired by Aston Martin.
You may say that it would have been as good as new when repaired - but all the same - no thank you.
You state that I received £78k from the insurer! Ha Ha! I should have been so lucky! I will not divulge to you what the payment was - but let me tell you that you are several thousand pounds adrift and infact - as with MOST insurance "write-off" cases - I was the loser financially.
Aston Martin themselves were dismayed that the vehicle was being offered on Ebay at all let alone at such a high price - therefore making replacement of the "tub" - not economically viable. If replacement of this part is being overlooked - then what other parts also?
The fact that Aston Martin were dismayed at this speaks volumes in itself.
best rgds
Firstly - thank you for replying.
Please take a moment to read pertinent comments taken from MY postings regarding this topic
MANX said:
-Not wishing to ruin somebody's sale just for the heck of it.......-This vehicle was MINE.
-In my opinion the damage details listed on the EBAY by the advertiser does NOT appear to be complete.
-engineers at Panelwise and the Aston Martin engineers at HWM - it was pointed out that the "Tub" (chassis) is infact "buckled"
in TWO places.
-This item needs replacing. It is a £19000 piece.
-the chassis is damaged in TWO places,(the advert)does NOT mention that TWO alloy wheels and TWO tyres will have to be replaced,and does
NOT mention the quarter window and wing mirrorwill need replacing.
-Suspension (front near side)hub,brake discs,calipers on the same corner need replacement. Ive no idea about the damage to
the steering arms,ball joints etc.
-I was told it would take 310 hours of labour to repair it. I was also told that the repair costs would be a MINIMUM of @£26k.
AND
PLEASE BEWARE IF PURCHASING THIS VEHICLE. I AM ONLY HIGHLIGHTING THIS BECAUSE I FEEL EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE THAT SOME UNSUSPECTING BUYER WOULD NOT KNOW
THE FULL TRUTH RE THE DAMAGE.
I would just like to add a few points
IF you consider your advert on Ebay was FULL & ACCURATE - then why did you omit the damage that Ive listed above?
It sits uncomfortably with me that the vehicle MAY not be properly repaired i.e AT NO COST SPARED - or repaired in such a way that a future buyer is UNAWARE of ALL the damage and consequently driving a high performance vehicle that's not quite right!
Why do I think this?
1) Look at your advert on Ebay - it's rather economical with the truth!
2) My quote for repair was £43k from Aston Martin - yours is SIGNIFICANTLY less - £3200 labour + £11k parts?
3) Aston Martin STRONGLY recommended REPLACING the "Tub" - clearly you or your buyer were or are not going to do this.
4) This vehicle is a relatively high performance vehicle - it is NOT a run of the mill family hatchback - therefore PROPER
repair/replacement of parts is in my humble opinion crucial.
5) I do NOT believe that just "patching"/repairing the "tub" of this high performance vehicle is adequate - by doing such a money
saving repair - then surely the strength&integrity of the chassis MUST be compromised in some way.
6) It is ONLY my personal opinion - but I would NOT be happy or feel 100% safe driving a vehicle repaired in such a way.
HENCE MY POSTNow to answer the following comment that YOU posted
"if companys like mine did not pay this amount of money for SALVAGE which is what it is, people like you would be moaning alot more, as your car would have been repaired and you would have had to drive around in that loan car untill it was repaired, or you would not have been paid out that 78k you got from the insurer,"
We should be THANKFUL for the salvage companies should we?
You wouldn't be in the salvage business if it wasn't good money - so don't insinuate to me that people like me should be grateful!
You bought the vehicle for £38k at auction - the highest bid via the internet prior to the auction was £32k - the amount of money you paid was driven by the auction and NOT by the demands of the insurance company who would have probably settled for less!
You then sold the car via Ebay - with a cool £5k premium! Not bad work if you can get it!
You buy the written-off vehicles at auction from insurance companies (who don't care who they sell too as they are ONLY looking to dilute their costs) - then you look to make as much money as you can out of the car- obviously.
The insurance companies are in my opinion just as responsible for putting UNSAFE cars back on the road as YOUR industry may be - or atleast cars that aren't 100% safe.
Unfortunately for YOU - the industry you are in does NOT have itself the BEST of reputations.
Historic examples of mis-selling,mis-representation, sketchy advertising and "dodgy' repair jobs are but a few of the problems that REPUTABLE salvage companies have to overcome.
I ENTIRELY agree with HazzardV8 who says: The only thing i would like to see is ALL salvage cars being forced to pass a test to check the quality of the repair before being put on the road or sold.
However HazzardV8 when you say: if 'salvage ' cars did not sell for large amounts, you, the general public would pay a large amount more for your insurance premiums" - then my reply to that is -well that may be the case - but I would rather pay a few more quid on my premium to ensure that unsafe cars were either repaired PROPERLY or broken for parts or even crushed - rather than those cars getting back on the road and being a potential accident waiting to happen.
I bet the £38k my vehicle sold for at auction was SIGNIFICANTLY more than the opening bid was - indicating there was good money to be made!
PrestigeSalvage
Final two points - I was happier to have the vehicle written-off - rather than even to have it repaired by Aston Martin.
You may say that it would have been as good as new when repaired - but all the same - no thank you.
You state that I received £78k from the insurer! Ha Ha! I should have been so lucky! I will not divulge to you what the payment was - but let me tell you that you are several thousand pounds adrift and infact - as with MOST insurance "write-off" cases - I was the loser financially.
Aston Martin themselves were dismayed that the vehicle was being offered on Ebay at all let alone at such a high price - therefore making replacement of the "tub" - not economically viable. If replacement of this part is being overlooked - then what other parts also?
The fact that Aston Martin were dismayed at this speaks volumes in itself.
best rgds
In all fairness, as someone who has bought and sold much (cheaper cars than this) through ebay quite a bit, there is no way on earth I would consider buying a damaged anything without having a damn good look at it, knowing exactly what I need to spend, and being sussing out the person selling it.
The purpose of an ebay advert like this is surely to get people to phone, and look at the car with a view to making an offer. I know in theory that you could look at this, enter a bid and buy yourself a heap of expensive trouble, but anyone foolish enough to undertake something of that magnitude solely on the basis of an advert is headed for very serious trouble.
Very decent of Manx to post this alert, but I think it unfair to judge the seller too harshly for not putting everything in the description.
The purpose of an ebay advert like this is surely to get people to phone, and look at the car with a view to making an offer. I know in theory that you could look at this, enter a bid and buy yourself a heap of expensive trouble, but anyone foolish enough to undertake something of that magnitude solely on the basis of an advert is headed for very serious trouble.
Very decent of Manx to post this alert, but I think it unfair to judge the seller too harshly for not putting everything in the description.
it seems to me that manx is being vindictive because he had not being paid out the amount he had hoped for, the insurance had, had a quote for the salvage, and after the claim had been settled,the car had achieved more that had been quoted for the salvage, manx is unhappy that the insurance did not send him a further check for the higher insurance salvage value achieved, i also do not believe that his friend gust stumbled across this motor salvage auction in the farthest point in kent, he was there to buy the salvage back and repair it for his own use or for manxs, cars can be repaired to as new condition, i very rarely sell on ebay we always allow for the customer to view and be happy, look at our real feedback not feedback from the ebay frieks. as for the profit in this car we did have a 5k markup , 400 in del costs 600 in used parts given as part of the sale, we then have the goverment taking there 40%tax and 17.5% off any profit leaves us with poss 2k for our company. In twenty years in selling cars i cannot remember 1 customer unhappy with our products and our after sales help, i made a mistake on the last posting, there IS not an 11k spend, we would allocate gust 3k in repairing your old car IN PARTS so we would have had approx 43-44k in the car finished, I KNOW THAT A CAR SHOULD BE REPAIRED TO PERFECTION I DRIVE A DAMAGED REPAIRED VANQUISH THAT IS PERFECT IN EVERY WAY AND STILL GOES TO ASTON FOR SERVICE. we all can have that little vindictive feeling in life, when somthing has not gone our way, so i have asked a chief engineer friend of mine to have a look into this car and claim to see if all is as said. ie accident report,previous claims . endorsements of drivers etc POST SOON
sorry manx you have stated in the past that you have a naval background, did a ships captain not accidently crash and ground a naval ship recently, was this ship sold as scap or repaired, (i think repaired) was the herald of free enterprise sunk in the hook of holland refloated as part of an insurance claim, and sold as a ferry in greece (i feel that this part of our maritime history should have been scraped) but this does not happen as it is not my property our money to award title
Hmm, an interesting battle going on between "manx" and "prestige salvage".
My two-pence worth? I own a Vantage V8 and if it suffered a total loss accident (write-off) there's no way I would ever be interested in buying the wreck back and repairing it. The aluminium bonding construction makes accident repair a very specialised business. How many people in the whole world have ever rebuilt a written off Vantage V8? I doubt it can be done safely.
Sure, there may be vested interests at play here, but I think that there is a broader safety issue - an unsafe car on the road is one too many. And one with 380bhp is dangerous.
My two-pence worth? I own a Vantage V8 and if it suffered a total loss accident (write-off) there's no way I would ever be interested in buying the wreck back and repairing it. The aluminium bonding construction makes accident repair a very specialised business. How many people in the whole world have ever rebuilt a written off Vantage V8? I doubt it can be done safely.
Sure, there may be vested interests at play here, but I think that there is a broader safety issue - an unsafe car on the road is one too many. And one with 380bhp is dangerous.
I know the guys at prestige and can say they are very good chaps, yes they are in business to make money but most of us are, I've bought a lot of parts from them in the past and can honestly say they are first and usually last port of call for parts.
Very straight and honest and would not deceive any customers, but as with all salvage work people must go in to it with eyes wide open. If the car goes back on the road in an unsafe manner (and it won't if it's autoligned) then it is purely the fault of the people who have repaired it.
And as far as resale goes the car will be a cat d anyway, anyone looking at an accident damaged (or indeed any car) car should closely inspect it for crash damage.
Very straight and honest and would not deceive any customers, but as with all salvage work people must go in to it with eyes wide open. If the car goes back on the road in an unsafe manner (and it won't if it's autoligned) then it is purely the fault of the people who have repaired it.
And as far as resale goes the car will be a cat d anyway, anyone looking at an accident damaged (or indeed any car) car should closely inspect it for crash damage.
prestige salvage said:
rev-erend said:
Looks like Ebay have removed the listing ..
Good thing too.
It's almost criminal that the insurers sell on cars that are in such bad shape. Broken for scrap .. is fine but the thought of an expensive and badly repaired car being sold on ..
the ad was taken off ebay as it had sold, insurers send out tenders for most vehicles with high value so people have the choice as to pass the car on or have it repairedGood thing too.
It's almost criminal that the insurers sell on cars that are in such bad shape. Broken for scrap .. is fine but the thought of an expensive and badly repaired car being sold on ..
ebay did not cancell the auction, i sold the car prior to the auction ending,there were 75 people watching and six offers on the table not inc three part exchages.
can i also add, the previous sale on ebay was a aston db7 vantage the guy was the highest bidder, come to see the car, was happy with what he purchased, paid me, paid me for del, and we are still in contact as i am helping with the finding of parts we did not have, look at his ebay comments what he left, the person who left bad feedback was a member who had -2 feedback and also said he paid me the money,20k .my company turns over in excess of 4 million a year, we have been trading from the same site for 22 yrs we have clients who come back to us year after year, so please do not insult me or my company.
can i also add, the previous sale on ebay was a aston db7 vantage the guy was the highest bidder, come to see the car, was happy with what he purchased, paid me, paid me for del, and we are still in contact as i am helping with the finding of parts we did not have, look at his ebay comments what he left, the person who left bad feedback was a member who had -2 feedback and also said he paid me the money,20k .my company turns over in excess of 4 million a year, we have been trading from the same site for 22 yrs we have clients who come back to us year after year, so please do not insult me or my company.
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