N24 viewing tomorrow
Discussion
garyhun said:
stanwan said:
garyhun said:
What the 
is an N24?
is an N24?I believe it's an AMV8 with everything luxurious ripped out of it. I guess I'm in no hurry to get anywhere so the standard one suits me just fine
Now that's just silly
Indeed! I like a quick car, but what pleasure can be derived from a car that is so quick that you spend little time enjoying it....
I'll pootle round at 2000 rpm thanks
I suspect it is to the Vantage what the CS is to the 360F1. 30bhp more, 250kg less. Ups the PWR by around 70bhp/tonne.
For a road car, I honestly don't see the point. I'm not convinced it'd be significantly quicker on the public road, and the standard car is a lot of fun to take by the scruff of the neck and drive whilst also being able to slot it into sixth and cruise when the traffic gets crappy.
But then I've always been a bit "stubborn" with stripped out cars. If you're going to go for this sort of machine, why not simply get yourself into something properly quick point to point (Caterham perhaps).
For a road car, I honestly don't see the point. I'm not convinced it'd be significantly quicker on the public road, and the standard car is a lot of fun to take by the scruff of the neck and drive whilst also being able to slot it into sixth and cruise when the traffic gets crappy.
But then I've always been a bit "stubborn" with stripped out cars. If you're going to go for this sort of machine, why not simply get yourself into something properly quick point to point (Caterham perhaps).
murph7355 said:
I suspect it is to the Vantage what the CS is to the 360F1. 30bhp more, 250kg less. Ups the PWR by around 70bhp/tonne.
For a road car, I honestly don't see the point. I'm not convinced it'd be significantly quicker on the public road, and the standard car is a lot of fun to take by the scruff of the neck and drive whilst also being able to slot it into sixth and cruise when the traffic gets crappy.
But then I've always been a bit "stubborn" with stripped out cars. If you're going to go for this sort of machine, why not simply get yourself into something properly quick point to point (Caterham perhaps).
For a road car, I honestly don't see the point. I'm not convinced it'd be significantly quicker on the public road, and the standard car is a lot of fun to take by the scruff of the neck and drive whilst also being able to slot it into sixth and cruise when the traffic gets crappy.
But then I've always been a bit "stubborn" with stripped out cars. If you're going to go for this sort of machine, why not simply get yourself into something properly quick point to point (Caterham perhaps).
Or even lose a couple of wheels and scrape the tarmac with one's knees...
Ah but the concept does work, if properly executed. Witness the new Porker 997 GT3, specify full leather & normal sports seats, upgraded stereo & Sat Nav & you have a car comfortable & practical for the daily commute, but it is also an awe-inspiring drivers car with stunning adrenalin pumping pace, inspired interactive handling & an epic sound track! I should know I've gone from AMV8 to 997GT3!
But that is not what the Aston is about, the AMV8 is simply a stunning creation, you really appreciate owning this car every time you walk back to it & look at it.......what a stunning car & that is mine you think. The interior is nearly as special as the exterior & everybody loves the car, ownership is a positive experience. The icing on the cake is it is also great to drive & sounds fab! I believe Aston can create a more focussed drivers car, but this isn't it, stripped out, roll cage afflicted isn't the way forward for Aston, upgraded power & sensible weight reduction with "class" intact is the way to go.....all IMO of course!!!
But that is not what the Aston is about, the AMV8 is simply a stunning creation, you really appreciate owning this car every time you walk back to it & look at it.......what a stunning car & that is mine you think. The interior is nearly as special as the exterior & everybody loves the car, ownership is a positive experience. The icing on the cake is it is also great to drive & sounds fab! I believe Aston can create a more focussed drivers car, but this isn't it, stripped out, roll cage afflicted isn't the way forward for Aston, upgraded power & sensible weight reduction with "class" intact is the way to go.....all IMO of course!!!
I'm with you Grant.
N24 looks like a 5yr old girl who couldn't put her lippy on properly. Roll cages are also a liability on the road unless you wear a helmet (that'd go down a storm with the fairer sex!). And those wheels look like the ones my dad's Colt Sapporo had in the 70s.
GT2-man - stop messing about. Admit you'd like to be seen with something drop dead gorgeous for a change at the expense of a few secs round the Bullring or the odd mph top speed. They don't matter. The std car makes it fun to go "slowly". Be comfy in your manhood and step back from the power war
And quit worrying about how much money you'll lose - it won't matter.
As for the 997, Grant, I think Porsche are starting to get soft with their "hard core" models. Many will say that they aren't, but even afficianados are noting that the early cars are actually the better drivers' machines (even the MkI 996 GT3).
The older I get (close to 37 now) the more I realise that if I want pure driving thrill I take the 7 or, if I need something a bit more practical (or just for the sheer hell of it), I take the classic. It's the only way to go on today's roads - to be involved in any modern kit means speeds that will see you taking the bus in an instant.
If I need something soothing but that still feels electric, even at sane (ish) speeds, the Vantage works very, very well. And no matter what else is in the garage, I still love looking at it!
N24 looks like a 5yr old girl who couldn't put her lippy on properly. Roll cages are also a liability on the road unless you wear a helmet (that'd go down a storm with the fairer sex!). And those wheels look like the ones my dad's Colt Sapporo had in the 70s.
GT2-man - stop messing about. Admit you'd like to be seen with something drop dead gorgeous for a change at the expense of a few secs round the Bullring or the odd mph top speed. They don't matter. The std car makes it fun to go "slowly". Be comfy in your manhood and step back from the power war
And quit worrying about how much money you'll lose - it won't matter. As for the 997, Grant, I think Porsche are starting to get soft with their "hard core" models. Many will say that they aren't, but even afficianados are noting that the early cars are actually the better drivers' machines (even the MkI 996 GT3).
The older I get (close to 37 now) the more I realise that if I want pure driving thrill I take the 7 or, if I need something a bit more practical (or just for the sheer hell of it), I take the classic. It's the only way to go on today's roads - to be involved in any modern kit means speeds that will see you taking the bus in an instant.
If I need something soothing but that still feels electric, even at sane (ish) speeds, the Vantage works very, very well. And no matter what else is in the garage, I still love looking at it!
Well, I didn't get any pertinent questions, but it's interesting to see how the Aston "fans" view the N24, which is in contrast to say how Porsche fans see the GT3 RS/RSR
For sure, I'm the same age as you and have refined my car choices down to owning a car for thrills (Lotus's), practicality (R.Rover) and comfort (CL65).. but there's something naggingly attractive about the N24.. even with it's "bad lipstick job" as you put it.. I thought that was an age old Racing Aston feature ?
Murph3755 said:
The older I get (close to 37 now) the more I realise that if I want pure driving thrill I take the 7 or, if I need something a bit more practical (or just for the sheer hell of it), I take the classic. It's the only way to go on today's roads - to be involved in any modern kit means speeds that will see you taking the bus in an instant.
For sure, I'm the same age as you and have refined my car choices down to owning a car for thrills (Lotus's), practicality (R.Rover) and comfort (CL65).. but there's something naggingly attractive about the N24.. even with it's "bad lipstick job" as you put it.. I thought that was an age old Racing Aston feature ?
murph7355 said:
As for the 997, Grant, I think Porsche are starting to get soft with their "hard core" models. Many will say that they aren't, but even afficianados are noting that the early cars are actually the better drivers' machines (even the MkI 996 GT3).
Murph,I know what you are saying, but you can either pop the rose tinted glasses on & believe that since Pork went watercooled it isn't "real" Pork anymore, or you can recognise that technology sensibly applied is a good thing. To their credit Porsche have used technology very effectively, take PSM, the system is so good it only steps in when the car is about to have an off, so 99.9% of the time you don't know its there,on track you can turn it off! The new 997GT3 may have a more comfortable ride thanks to PASM & traction control as a safety net, but don't believe for one minute that it is any less of a drivers car than GT3's past just because it doesn't bounce all over the place on your favourite B road!
I recognise that no GT3 or RS can fully compete with the totally raw experience of sitting in an open top caterham with the road a few inches from your left ear & the wind assaulting your head, but technology is allowing us to enjoy the unthinkable in the new 997 GT3 a real fully involving racing car & a satisfactory daily driver rolled into one...win, win. I love this car, but that doesn't stop me missing the AMV8!
Grant3 said:
Ah but the concept does work, if properly executed. Witness the new Porker 997 GT3, specify full leather & normal sports seats, upgraded stereo & Sat Nav & you have a car comfortable & practical for the daily commute, but it is also an awe-inspiring drivers car with stunning adrenalin pumping pace, inspired interactive handling & an epic sound track! I should know I've gone from AMV8 to 997GT3!
But that is not what the Aston is about, the AMV8 is simply a stunning creation, you really appreciate owning this car every time you walk back to it & look at it.......what a stunning car & that is mine you think. The interior is nearly as special as the exterior & everybody loves the car, ownership is a positive experience. The icing on the cake is it is also great to drive & sounds fab!I believe Aston can create a more focussed drivers car, but this isn't it, stripped out, roll cage afflicted isn't the way forward for Aston, upgraded power & sensible weight reduction with "class" intact is the way to go.....all IMO of course!!!
But that is not what the Aston is about, the AMV8 is simply a stunning creation, you really appreciate owning this car every time you walk back to it & look at it.......what a stunning car & that is mine you think. The interior is nearly as special as the exterior & everybody loves the car, ownership is a positive experience. The icing on the cake is it is also great to drive & sounds fab!I believe Aston can create a more focussed drivers car, but this isn't it, stripped out, roll cage afflicted isn't the way forward for Aston, upgraded power & sensible weight reduction with "class" intact is the way to go.....all IMO of course!!!
Agree 100%. Aston can and should create a 'GT3' version but surely 'class' and 'style' are their main USPs so this must be retained. Produce something that will live with a GT3 but still ooze beauty from every pore and you've got a winner. Strip those attributes away and you're left with, well, a yellow blob really. Depreciation will be eye watering too! After years of chasing the next 'ultimate thing' my next move is back to AM (from GT3) with a V8 Roadster - due soon!!!! - which lets face it will be a very fast car in real world terms but also enhance S. of France cruises etc. whilst giving the 'is that really mine' driveway moments. If I want to prove that I'm not past it yet my soon to arrive Caterham will dust any of these cars on track anyway - and I'm returning to the world of two wheeled missiles shortly too, but that's another story. Midlife crisis anyone?!
Edited by Pugsey on Tuesday 3rd April 11:23
Pugsey said:
Strip those attributes away and you're left with, well, a yellow blob really.
You do know it doesn't have to be yellow, right ? You either get it, or you don't. The N24 isn't aimed at the 997 GT3, which is really a road car with track day pretensions. The N24 is a proper stripped-out race car aimed at the kind of person who will likely compete in the AMOC series or Britcar. It has no aircon, it has no sat/nav radio or comfy seats, it has no real interior trim to speak of, plumbed-in extinguishers, cut-out switches, perspex windows. I would say it's morelike the 997 RSR or GT3 Cup, which I 'm sure many Porsche owners would baulk at for not having the "class and style" you want.
As for depreciation, I'll have a 10 quid charity bet with you that the N24 will lose not even half what a standard AMV8 loses in a year. Deal ?
Edited by GT2man-2 on Tuesday 3rd April 12:14
GT2man-2 said:
Pugsey said:
Strip those attributes away and you're left with, well, a yellow blob really.
You do know it doesn't have to be yellow, right ? You either get it, or you don't. The N24 isn't aimed at the 997 GT3, which is really a road car with track day pretensions. The N24 is a proper stripped-out race car aimed at the kind of person who will likely compete in the AMOC series or Britcar. It has no aircon, it has no sat/nav radio or comfy seats, it has no real interior trim to speak of, plumbed-in extinguishers, cut-out switches, perspex windows. I would say it's morelike the 997 RSR or GT3 Cup, which I 'm sure many Porsche owners would baulk at for not having the "class and style" you want.
As for depreciation, I'll have a 10 quid charity bet with you that the N24 will lose not even half what a standard AMV8 loses in a year. Deal ?
Edited by GT2man-2 on Tuesday 3rd April 12:14
Grant3 said:
Pugsey said:
I'll take that bet - but let's make it £100. Anyone care to mediate?
Yup, although there will be a 25%, mediation fee involved
! Edited by Pugsey on Tuesday 3rd April 15:05
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