Loder 1899 power increase
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Pugsey said:
No - particularly as the standard car is reputed to give no more than 370bhp. That's custommer cars as opposed to press cars which feel a tad faster
Edited by Pugsey on Saturday 18th November 19:22
HMMMM, Pugsey, you continue to remind me of why I gave up Porkers. The irony here is that you have sold your V8, but you can't leave it alone.... where does your notion come from regarding power? Do you have information regarding owners that have removed their engines and had them dynoed on a stand like is done at the factory? Otherwise, I would suggest that the factory has a much better handle on this than a customer that takes their car into a dyno and is trying to guestimate things like driveline loss and atmospheric impacts of power.
I would be very interested to see the empirical basis for your comments.
Edited by amvntage on Sunday 19th November 21:59
amvntage said:
Pugsey said:
No - particularly as the standard car is reputed to give no more than 370bhp. That's custommer cars as opposed to press cars which feel a tad faster
Edited by Pugsey on Saturday 18th November 19:22
HMMMM, Pugsey, you continue to remind me of why I gave up Porkers. The irony here is that you have sold your V8, but you can't leave it alone.... where does your notion come from regarding power? Do you have information regarding owners that have removed their engines and had them dynoed on a stand like is done at the factory? Otherwise, I would suggest that the factory has a much better handle on this than a customer that takes their car into a dyno and is trying to guestimate things like driveline loss and atmospheric impacts of power.
I would be very interested to see the empirical basis for your comments.
Edited by amvntage on Sunday 19th November 21:59
With regards my comments re. power outputs I'm afraid that my source is the classic 'man who knows' and as such I fully understand are open to debate - either just by people who have a general view or by someone like your good self who,from your comments, obviously won't enter a debate without specific experience and knowledge of the car in question. I would add that I consider my source to be highly reliable and have found myself that press cars have felt a little more sprghtly than customer cars - although this is of course purely subjective and could even be simply down to better prep. Finally,yes I am sure that manufacturers have an exceedingly good handle on their own powerplants outputs. They also have control over what they tell us. An example would be the early '190bhp' Exige which fell some way short of that figure I believe.
Grant3 said:
bostlind said:
Loder 1899 claims power increase to 405hp with exhaust modification is this possible?
If you want more grunt, wait for the Prodrive upgrade... 425-ish horses & engineered by the guys that run the Aston Racing team!
My concern with the Prodrive product would be one of warranty. The franchise in Norfolk (Long Stratton)maintain that AM are not predisposed to cover any change not carried out by their own engineers or any upgrade not manufactured by Aston Martin.
Edited by mikial on Monday 20th November 08:47
mikial said:
My concern with the Prodrive product would be one of warranty. The franchise in Norfolk (Long Stratton)maintain that AM are not predisposed to cover any change not carried out by their own engineers or any upgrade not manufactured by Aston Martin.
I agree. I guess the ultimate would be for the mods. to be done with AM's blessing - rather as Prodrive do with the Imprezza. Incidentally my car came from Long Stratton - very helpful. Edited by mikial on Monday 20th November 08:47
Pugsey said:
amvntage said:
Pugsey said:
No - particularly as the standard car is reputed to give no more than 370bhp. That's custommer cars as opposed to press cars which feel a tad faster
Edited by Pugsey on Saturday 18th November 19:22
HMMMM, Pugsey, you continue to remind me of why I gave up Porkers. The irony here is that you have sold your V8, but you can't leave it alone.... where does your notion come from regarding power? Do you have information regarding owners that have removed their engines and had them dynoed on a stand like is done at the factory? Otherwise, I would suggest that the factory has a much better handle on this than a customer that takes their car into a dyno and is trying to guestimate things like driveline loss and atmospheric impacts of power.
I would be very interested to see the empirical basis for your comments.
Edited by amvntage on Sunday 19th November 21:59
With regards my comments re. power outputs I'm afraid that my source is the classic 'man who knows' and as such I fully understand are open to debate - either just by people who have a general view or by someone like your good self who,from your comments, obviously won't enter a debate without specific experience and knowledge of the car in question. I would add that I consider my source to be highly reliable and have found myself that press cars have felt a little more sprghtly than customer cars - although this is of course purely subjective and could even be simply down to better prep. Finally,yes I am sure that manufacturers have an exceedingly good handle on their own powerplants outputs. They also have control over what they tell us. An example would be the early '190bhp' Exige which fell some way short of that figure I believe.
Understood, and apologize for my brash tone yesterday. I was feeling a bit nippy after a post on another thread. I am getting a bit irritated by the need to defend the Vantage all the time. It is a remarkable car from every point of view, and I am glad you will be coming back to the fold.
I understand the "guy in the know" situation. I also understand that historically AM has a reputation for overstating the HP figures. I thought that went away with Bez, who is decidely trained in the school of Porsche understatement. I would hope that a majority of the engines would bench test withing +/- .1% of the stated 380.
Thank you for your reply.
amvntage said:
Pugsey said:
amvntage said:
Pugsey said:
No - particularly as the standard car is reputed to give no more than 370bhp. That's custommer cars as opposed to press cars which feel a tad faster
Edited by Pugsey on Saturday 18th November 19:22
HMMMM, Pugsey, you continue to remind me of why I gave up Porkers. The irony here is that you have sold your V8, but you can't leave it alone.... where does your notion come from regarding power? Do you have information regarding owners that have removed their engines and had them dynoed on a stand like is done at the factory? Otherwise, I would suggest that the factory has a much better handle on this than a customer that takes their car into a dyno and is trying to guestimate things like driveline loss and atmospheric impacts of power.
I would be very interested to see the empirical basis for your comments.
Edited by amvntage on Sunday 19th November 21:59
With regards my comments re. power outputs I'm afraid that my source is the classic 'man who knows' and as such I fully understand are open to debate - either just by people who have a general view or by someone like your good self who,from your comments, obviously won't enter a debate without specific experience and knowledge of the car in question. I would add that I consider my source to be highly reliable and have found myself that press cars have felt a little more sprghtly than customer cars - although this is of course purely subjective and could even be simply down to better prep. Finally,yes I am sure that manufacturers have an exceedingly good handle on their own powerplants outputs. They also have control over what they tell us. An example would be the early '190bhp' Exige which fell some way short of that figure I believe.
Understood, and apologize for my brash tone yesterday. I was feeling a bit nippy after a post on another thread. I am getting a bit irritated by the need to defend the Vantage all the time. It is a remarkable car from every point of view, and I am glad you will be coming back to the fold.
I understand the "guy in the know" situation. I also understand that historically AM has a reputation for overstating the HP figures. I thought that went away with Bez, who is decidely trained in the school of Porsche understatement. I would hope that a majority of the engines would bench test withing +/- .1% of the stated 380.
Thank you for your reply.
Edited by Pugsey on Monday 20th November 13:09
amvntage said:
Pugsey said:
No - particularly as the standard car is reputed to give no more than 370bhp. That's custommer cars as opposed to press cars which feel a tad faster
Edited by Pugsey on Saturday 18th November 19:22
.... where does your notion come from regarding power? Do you have information regarding owners that have removed their engines and had them dynoed on a stand like is done at the factory? Otherwise, I would suggest that the factory has a much better handle on this than a customer that takes their car into a dyno and is trying to guestimate things like driveline loss and atmospheric impacts of power.
I would be very interested to see the empirical basis for your comments.
Edited by amvntage on Sunday 19th November 21:59
I have to back Pugsey (Tony) up on this one, according to one of the development engineers (no longer with Aston) the cars struggle to achieve their stated output, but lets face it 370- 380...not much in it really! As a car nut a little extra power is always appealing, but as I said in other posts I think Aston have done a fabulous job in balancing the power to the chassis, which is far more important than power alone!
The reality of all this my 997S is quicker than your Aston, is, on road there ain't nothing in it what ever the respective bhp figures say! You would need a Turbo or GT3 to put a decent amount of air between their rear & an AMV8's front end!
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