I want to replace 997C2...AMV8......or another 997 ?
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I have a jan 2005 model 997C2 which I love. Done 13k miles in it...I have a deposit on another 997. I haven't speccd it yet. I have been putting off speccing it for months now because I was busy setting up my new company.
I have a local Aston Dealer and Porsche dealer. I am tempted to try a 2nd hand Aston, just to be sure I want another Porsche.
I'm in no hurry for an Aston, and one day would love one. My biggest worry is the lack of back seats. I use mine quite a bit (my daughter is nearly 5) oh, and the 'ahem' build quality and reliability of the Aston (compared to 997) though my 997 hasn't been perfect (rattles, warning light coming on)
Obviously this is a very sensitive subject for Aston owners and Porsche owners alike...I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has gone from 997 to Aston (or even vice versa)
Cheers, Simon
I have a local Aston Dealer and Porsche dealer. I am tempted to try a 2nd hand Aston, just to be sure I want another Porsche.
I'm in no hurry for an Aston, and one day would love one. My biggest worry is the lack of back seats. I use mine quite a bit (my daughter is nearly 5) oh, and the 'ahem' build quality and reliability of the Aston (compared to 997) though my 997 hasn't been perfect (rattles, warning light coming on)
Obviously this is a very sensitive subject for Aston owners and Porsche owners alike...I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has gone from 997 to Aston (or even vice versa)
Cheers, Simon
Have owned a lot of exotics and know only to well the "well you cant expect ford reliability from them" comments.
Saying that the most reliable of the cars I have owned including a 911 Turbo and supposedly bullet proof VW Golf was a 1980 Aston V8 with a Richard Williams 7Litre conversion. Only thing that ever failed in 4 years was the boot lock. Even when I had to use it over a very icy winter having had my daily hack written off, I was utterly amazed at the way it just stuck to the road (err ice) even with its massive power output it's torque allowed pulling away slip free so easily. Mind saying that at neary 1 1/2 ton stopping was a carefully timed and planned operation but it never scared me or left me feeling as though it was going to kill me. Most unlike the 911 Turbo which scared me every time I was caught out in the wet.
Saying that the most reliable of the cars I have owned including a 911 Turbo and supposedly bullet proof VW Golf was a 1980 Aston V8 with a Richard Williams 7Litre conversion. Only thing that ever failed in 4 years was the boot lock. Even when I had to use it over a very icy winter having had my daily hack written off, I was utterly amazed at the way it just stuck to the road (err ice) even with its massive power output it's torque allowed pulling away slip free so easily. Mind saying that at neary 1 1/2 ton stopping was a carefully timed and planned operation but it never scared me or left me feeling as though it was going to kill me. Most unlike the 911 Turbo which scared me every time I was caught out in the wet.
I have come out of a 996TT like Get Carter, the Aston really gets under your skin, initially I thought it wasn't as good a drivers car as the 911, it "floats" a little more than the TT, but once I have adapted to it's ways I love it.
It is plenty fast enough, sounds fabulous, but is so chuckable & flows across a favourite B road like a luxury go-cart due to near perfect weight distribution. It doesn't give me the ultimate adrenalin fix that the Turbo did at full blast, but it so much more fun overall & you don't have to cane it all the time to have fun! The driving position is spot on & the controls are all nice & weighty, a chunky gear change & steering wheel. That is all before you start considering the fabulous looks inside & out & it's great image!
The down sides are a gearbox that is crap when cold, a ride that never settles properly (never harsh, just constantly bobbing!) where as the Porsche was firmer, harsher but more controlled, also uncertain residuals, but that could mean you can get a good deal!
I have a 997GT3 on order & like you was tempted to "try" the Aston whilst I can, I am really please I have & would recommend the Aston experience, it is an automotive jewel, but also the real drivers car in Astons range!
Of course if you need rear seats!!!!
It is plenty fast enough, sounds fabulous, but is so chuckable & flows across a favourite B road like a luxury go-cart due to near perfect weight distribution. It doesn't give me the ultimate adrenalin fix that the Turbo did at full blast, but it so much more fun overall & you don't have to cane it all the time to have fun! The driving position is spot on & the controls are all nice & weighty, a chunky gear change & steering wheel. That is all before you start considering the fabulous looks inside & out & it's great image!
The down sides are a gearbox that is crap when cold, a ride that never settles properly (never harsh, just constantly bobbing!) where as the Porsche was firmer, harsher but more controlled, also uncertain residuals, but that could mean you can get a good deal!
I have a 997GT3 on order & like you was tempted to "try" the Aston whilst I can, I am really please I have & would recommend the Aston experience, it is an automotive jewel, but also the real drivers car in Astons range!
Of course if you need rear seats!!!!
I drove both on track days around Millbrook. In my view the power is more easily delivered in the porsche and it feels very slightly quicker, but the Aston is pretty much it's match and since I will not be driving regularly on the track its other strengths (looks, prestige etc..) are just as important. Both are pretty easy to drive in a relaxed style.
I bought a 997 C4S in July to get it out of my system. Brilliant car, but AMV8 arriving in 2-3 weeks, so now selling the 997 if you are interested. Incidentally, I bought the 997 from new for over £83k and now recon it is worth no more than £75k despite only 2,500 miles. Please don't tell me the cost per mile!
I bought a 997 C4S in July to get it out of my system. Brilliant car, but AMV8 arriving in 2-3 weeks, so now selling the 997 if you are interested. Incidentally, I bought the 997 from new for over £83k and now recon it is worth no more than £75k despite only 2,500 miles. Please don't tell me the cost per mile!
interesting valuations...whats my 997 worth then...Jan 2005, 54 plate. pretty standard spec. basalt blck, sat nav, cd-changer, parking sensors...i paid £61k exactly. i gather that the 911's have recently had a price increase. i'm out of touch with second hand values on 911...I wonder if Aston dealer would give me anything for it against an AMV8.
cardigankid said:
So, Grant , we track you down at last.
Why you buy a GT3 then?
Why you buy a GT3 then?Long term Porsche owner,on & off over the years..944Turbo, 928GT, 996C2 sportpack, 996C2 facelift, 996TT......997GT3.
Had the TT for nearly 4 years wanted a change GT3 delivery was over 9 months away, so tempted into an AMV8, fantastic car, far better than expected from a driver point of view, may regret changing to the GT3, but as the old saying goes...
"variety is the spice of life" & I can always come back to an Aston!!
sjr-997 Id guess your car is worth about £50-54k trade now, dependant on mileage condition, tyres, it will be due a service & warranty next Jan., so they will factor that in. 54 plates are retailing at about £59k in OPC & they will want about 5-6k & also want to reduce the pricing to nearer £55k retail by the time 07 plates arrives!
Edited by grant3 on Friday 13th October 10:57
Edited by grant3 on Friday 13th October 10:57
sjr-997 said:
interesting valuations...whats my 997 worth then...Jan 2005, 54 plate. pretty standard spec. basalt blck, sat nav, cd-changer, parking sensors...i paid £61k exactly. i gather that the 911's have recently had a price increase. i'm out of touch with second hand values on 911...I wonder if Aston dealer would give me anything for it against an AMV8.
I don`t see why not, the franchise at Long Stratton ( Norfolk ) I dealt with took my 360 F1 in p/x and a few weeks ago they traded a 996 tt against an `06 Vantage .
The so called bullet proof residuals on the Aston V8 are quite simply fantasy.
Bought new V8 March 06 £87,500. Sold September 06, 1900 miles after 2 offers of £76,000.....horrendous.
Too many out here was the general consensus from the dealers. Also plenty going back into the DB9 for various reasons. Hence the good residuals on the 9.
Had a 997s prior, lost less money on it !!!
Bought new V8 March 06 £87,500. Sold September 06, 1900 miles after 2 offers of £76,000.....horrendous.
Too many out here was the general consensus from the dealers. Also plenty going back into the DB9 for various reasons. Hence the good residuals on the 9.
Had a 997s prior, lost less money on it !!!
aston dealer is offering me £50k trade-in on my 997 against a 1300 mile 06 demonstrator (they want £84k for their demo car)...I think my car is worth more like £53k as its immaculate and doesn't need rear tyres (I changed them 8 weeks ago) i think i'd get £55k privately. maybe 53-54k
their demo model has the grey wheels and is the grey colour bodywork...it looks nice...they have about 8 different AM V8s in at the moment....no supply problems then ! I had a choice of red, black, silver and grey ! (06and 07 models) I'm going to drive it next week and see what I think.
i think its utter cr4p that they say they won't haggle/negotiate...they have a car-pound full of AMV8's that speculators didn't complete purchases of...I reckon a deal can be had...speculators got about 10 months worth of profit from AMV8's by my calculations...I wonder if they will try again on the soft top AMv8's ?
their demo model has the grey wheels and is the grey colour bodywork...it looks nice...they have about 8 different AM V8s in at the moment....no supply problems then ! I had a choice of red, black, silver and grey ! (06and 07 models) I'm going to drive it next week and see what I think.
i think its utter cr4p that they say they won't haggle/negotiate...they have a car-pound full of AMV8's that speculators didn't complete purchases of...I reckon a deal can be had...speculators got about 10 months worth of profit from AMV8's by my calculations...I wonder if they will try again on the soft top AMv8's ?
The V8's are everywhere. Dealers are chocker with them, hence my extreme difficulty in selling mine. 10 calls, 2 offers, one at £72,000 from possibly the rudest man I have ever encountered, independent dealer with a son...without giving too much away.
I arrived at my local dealer where the Sales team, including the sales manager, took it upon themselves to simply ignore me in the showroom. The General Manager rang a few days later.
My advice is certainly to not buy new, the V8 is a great looking if slightly underpowered car, that will not hold residual value any better than the 911.
I arrived at my local dealer where the Sales team, including the sales manager, took it upon themselves to simply ignore me in the showroom. The General Manager rang a few days later.
My advice is certainly to not buy new, the V8 is a great looking if slightly underpowered car, that will not hold residual value any better than the 911.
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