V12V Manual Values
Discussion
Values have been fairly stable for a while. U.K. prices (coupé) are generally in the £60,000 to £80,000 price range. There is usually a bit more supply during the summer months but imho I think most owners are holding on to their cars now and finding a good one is becoming increasingly difficult. Some people think prices should have risen in a similar vein to manual DBS values but so far there has been no real sign of that. The biggest concerns for a prospective buyer are the condition of the CCBs and any engine related issues, ie the dreaded V12 tick or possible primary cat ingestion, all very expensive to fix. A well looked after car should have none of these concerns. They are quite a rare sight in the U.K. As far as I know there were only about 360 cars produced for the U.K. market. BRM.
Massively undervalued in my opinion (I am biased).
BUT that just means I don’t stress about using and enjoying mine. Not worrying about values, or treating it like an investment, hugely charismatic car to drive and enjoy.
CCBs are not an issue as long as correctly looked after. I’m with Mingler, I think those that know and own good ones are just keeping hold now. Values don’t motivate selling, what do you replace them with at a similar price point?
I think in the LONG term they will go up in value but nothing life changing in near future.
BUT that just means I don’t stress about using and enjoying mine. Not worrying about values, or treating it like an investment, hugely charismatic car to drive and enjoy.
CCBs are not an issue as long as correctly looked after. I’m with Mingler, I think those that know and own good ones are just keeping hold now. Values don’t motivate selling, what do you replace them with at a similar price point?
I think in the LONG term they will go up in value but nothing life changing in near future.
Agree with what's been said - I think they are the bargain of the century.
Brake issues are overblown and very easy to identify bad discs from good.
Mine has a secondary decat and Nitron suspension and I can't think of anything at twice the price I'd rather own. At the price it's that or a Cayman GT4 (yawn) where ythe gearing is just too long for road use to be any fun.
The only thing that tickles the fancy is a manual GT3 of some flavour but that's nowhere near as cool.
So to answer the question can't see them getting any lower and I agree good ones are getting tucked away as they find their keepers.
Brake issues are overblown and very easy to identify bad discs from good.
Mine has a secondary decat and Nitron suspension and I can't think of anything at twice the price I'd rather own. At the price it's that or a Cayman GT4 (yawn) where ythe gearing is just too long for road use to be any fun.
The only thing that tickles the fancy is a manual GT3 of some flavour but that's nowhere near as cool.
So to answer the question can't see them getting any lower and I agree good ones are getting tucked away as they find their keepers.
Thanks for your feedback. I get little use out of mine and have considered changing, but change my mind once I drive it again and hear the V12! I was careful to get a good one, so CCBs and the ‘hyped’ cat ingestion doesn’t concern me. I’ve looked at various ones that are for sale on Autotrader over the years (noting only 4x on Autotrader today), and once you zoom in on the photos you can see the condition concerns on some.
I think these cars are at the bottom of their depreciation curve now, so I think it’ll remain in the garage medium term. Not that I class it as an investment in anyway. I just know if I sell it I won’t be content on having an empty garage space!
I think these cars are at the bottom of their depreciation curve now, so I think it’ll remain in the garage medium term. Not that I class it as an investment in anyway. I just know if I sell it I won’t be content on having an empty garage space!
Fast_cars_more_fun said:
Thanks for your feedback. I get little use out of mine and have considered changing, but change my mind once I drive it again and hear the V12! I was careful to get a good one, so CCBs and the hyped cat ingestion doesn t concern me. I ve looked at various ones that are for sale on Autotrader over the years (noting only 4x on Autotrader today), and once you zoom in on the photos you can see the condition concerns on some.
I think these cars are at the bottom of their depreciation curve now, so I think it ll remain in the garage medium term. Not that I class it as an investment in anyway. I just know if I sell it I won t be content on having an empty garage space!
Your comments and those above pretty much sum up my situation too. Mrs Minglar has never really been keen on travelling as a passenger in mine and has no interest in driving it either, so most of our joint trips are done in her SUV (not an AM). As a result my car doesn’t get a huge amount of use nowadays and I often find myself taking it out for a long drive on my own just for the thrill of it. I’ve had my car longer than any other car I’ve owned and it was pretty much brand new when I bought it so I know its provenance and how it’s been cared for and serviced etc. Sometimes Mrs Minglar questions why I haven’t sold it, but I know I’d miss it, and for the money I’d get I can’t really think of anything comparable that I would want to replace it with. Every time I visit my AM MD they ask me if I’d be interested in selling as they think it would shift easily. There’s clearly demand for these cars but supply really has dwindled over the last few years so one has to assume people are holding on to them. None of the latest range really appeals to me. They are undoubtedly superb vehicles but I don’t really see the point of trading up. The cost to change is hard to justify and imho not really worth it. I would imagine that many owners feel the same. BRM. I think these cars are at the bottom of their depreciation curve now, so I think it ll remain in the garage medium term. Not that I class it as an investment in anyway. I just know if I sell it I won t be content on having an empty garage space!
Exactly the same here. I’ve been looking at what I’d like to swap it with and there’s nothing I’d consider without having to fork out £20-30K; only for another car to sit in the garage after the initial honeymoon period ends! We have two kids, so days out or weekends away with the wife is non existent. Keep for now I think, with the few cars & coffee / trips out with my son.
I sometimes debate selling mine. The question I’ve never been able to answer is what I’d want as a replacement. There’s not much I fancy. Anything I do is generally more expensive. 458/Huracan/720 all appeal. However, they are all notably more expensive, more popular and sometimes even harder to fix. Add the mileage paranoia the various owners all create, I default back to keeping a v12v in the garage and kicking around in my old TVRs, not really caring about how many miles I do and just enjoying it whenever I get a day off.
I’ve never bought my cars as investments (generally never keep them long enough). However, I do think the V12V has pretty much hit the bottom of depreciation and it makes it easier to justify keeping hold of the car even when I’m not using it as much as I’d like. It’s always nice knowing I’m not going to take a bath on its value, and I may be lucky enough to endure some small amounts of appreciation. In the long term, I suspect it’ll increase - getting a good one is increasingly difficult. I believe the parkway ads have been listed for over a year on Autotrader leaving only a couple of examples available at the moment.
I’ve never bought my cars as investments (generally never keep them long enough). However, I do think the V12V has pretty much hit the bottom of depreciation and it makes it easier to justify keeping hold of the car even when I’m not using it as much as I’d like. It’s always nice knowing I’m not going to take a bath on its value, and I may be lucky enough to endure some small amounts of appreciation. In the long term, I suspect it’ll increase - getting a good one is increasingly difficult. I believe the parkway ads have been listed for over a year on Autotrader leaving only a couple of examples available at the moment.
Andy_67C said:
I sometimes debate selling mine. The question I ve never been able to answer is what I d want as a replacement. There s not much I fancy. Anything I do is generally more expensive. 458/Huracan/720 all appeal. However, they are all notably more expensive, more popular and sometimes even harder to fix. Add the mileage paranoia the various owners all create, I default back to keeping a v12v in the garage and kicking around in my old TVRs, not really caring about how many miles I do and just enjoying it whenever I get a day off.
I ve never bought my cars as investments (generally never keep them long enough). However, I do think the V12V has pretty much hit the bottom of depreciation and it makes it easier to justify keeping hold of the car even when I m not using it as much as I d like. It s always nice knowing I m not going to take a bath on its value, and I may be lucky enough to endure some small amounts of appreciation. In the long term, I suspect it ll increase - getting a good one is increasingly difficult. I believe the parkway ads have been listed for over a year on Autotrader leaving only a couple of examples available at the moment.
Mirrors my outlook.. I ve never bought my cars as investments (generally never keep them long enough). However, I do think the V12V has pretty much hit the bottom of depreciation and it makes it easier to justify keeping hold of the car even when I m not using it as much as I d like. It s always nice knowing I m not going to take a bath on its value, and I may be lucky enough to endure some small amounts of appreciation. In the long term, I suspect it ll increase - getting a good one is increasingly difficult. I believe the parkway ads have been listed for over a year on Autotrader leaving only a couple of examples available at the moment.
The CCB issue can only be seen on a ramp. The plain end of the bolts that hold the disc to the bell corrode and fall off. The bolt then corrodes in the disc which then expands and damages the disc. If I was buying one I would ask for all four discs to be removed and checked. Its a circa £25K job to replace discs and pads
Edited by KevinBird on Tuesday 1st July 08:36
Edited by KevinBird on Tuesday 1st July 08:37
KevinBird said:
The CCB issue can only be seen on a ramp. The plain end of the bolts that hold the disc to the bell corrode and fall off. The bolt then corrodes in the disc which then expands and damages the disc. If I was buying one I would ask for all four discs to be removed and checked. Its a circa £25K job to replace discs and pads
They are meant to be weighed as part of service. However, dealers generally don’t as you can quite often find they’re hard to get off/you can easily break one in trying. I agree though, proper inspection is a must. The bills can soon rack up if not. Edited by KevinBird on Tuesday 1st July 08:36
Edited by KevinBird on Tuesday 1st July 08:37
CCB’s are fine if they’re looked after and inspected regularly. A lot of owners with V12V I would think look after them given the replacement cost and type of cars these are now. I always drive mine after it has been washed, make sure no wheel cleaner used etc. However, I do know someone who had a GT4 with CCB and managed to destroy them by not using the correct products when washing it.
Andy_67C said:
Does anyone know how many V12V Manual UK cars are left? Presumably a few have been written off, exported etc so I m guessing circa 280 - 300?
How Many Left shows 210 still on the road in the U.K. I’ve no idea how accurate the data is but as I said in one of my previous posts they are certainly a rare sight nowadays. https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/aston_martin...
BRM.
I bought mine in 2020 (I think!) as a "scratch the AM V8" itch for a year; obviously I ended up in a v12 though. I echo many thoughts here; and I watch values with little intent to sell any time soon. I've just had my original PPF removed, a full paint correction, reapplication of PPF and a nice ceramic coat. I use the arguement "in case I sell"... hmm.
She's about to have her 14th service so I guess she's good for another year. I've really no idea what I'd replace her with even if I did sell - I know my wife would have the money spent on the house (which is needed), so we'll see. :/
She's about to have her 14th service so I guess she's good for another year. I've really no idea what I'd replace her with even if I did sell - I know my wife would have the money spent on the house (which is needed), so we'll see. :/
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