How about moving St Athan to America
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The USA has become Aston Martin's most important sales area.
Unfortunately, it now appears that there might be a problem next year.
President Elect - "Here is the deal that I will be offering to every major company and manufacturer on Earth: I will give you the lowest taxes, the lowest energy costs, the lowest regulatory burden, and free access to the best and biggest market on the planet.
But only if you make your product here in America. It all goes away, if you don't make your product here. If you don't make your product here, then you will have to pay a tariff, a very substantial tariff."
Interesting thought Jon, especially as cut-off date for ICE car purchase in UK is looming……
AMG V8s (as used in Vantage, DB12 & DBX) would need to be built in US as well (to avoid tariffs)!
For a while, cars made in Gaydon were sent to St Athans paint shop to be sprayed (as it was a more modern facility). Not sure if that’s still the case, but if it is, then that’s big old carbon footprint!
AMG V8s (as used in Vantage, DB12 & DBX) would need to be built in US as well (to avoid tariffs)!
For a while, cars made in Gaydon were sent to St Athans paint shop to be sprayed (as it was a more modern facility). Not sure if that’s still the case, but if it is, then that’s big old carbon footprint!
Edited by VantageHead on Tuesday 12th November 19:07
Simpo Two said:
Seems entirely fair to protect a country's workforce. Tariffs aren't a new thing limited to Trump; the EU loves them. Nissan opened a factory in the UK to get round EU tariffs. Perhaps Aston can do the same in the US, or at least do a final assembly to qualify.
Of course tariffs can result in retaliatory action.
Perhaps the UK might put a matching tarff on Amazon.
Hold on, judging by my Amazon invoices, the entire operation has never been in the UK, but is in Luxembourg.
It has always been a puzzle to me, how those 45 Amazon employees in Luxembourg, manage to pack millions of packages every day.
On that basis, they must surely qualify as 'working people'.
Perhaps they work just 4 days a week, because the British unions tell everyone, that a 4 day working week is far more productive than working 5 days, especially those
I am not convinced, because if 4 has better productivity than 5, surely 3 would be even better. When they try for a zero day working week, I am certain that their rationale would be rumbled.
Jon39 said:
Of course tariffs can result in retaliatory action.
Perhaps the UK might put a matching tarff on Amazon.
Hold on, judging by my Amazon invoices, the entire operation has never been in the UK, but is in Luxembourg.
It has always been a puzzle to me, how those 45 Amazon employees in Luxembourg, manage to pack millions of packages every day.
On that basis, they must surely qualify as 'working people'.
Perhaps they work just 4 days a week, because the British unions tell everyone, that a 4 day working week is far more productive than working 5 days, especially those
I am not convinced, because if 4 has better productivity than 5, surely 3 would be even better. When they try for a zero day working week, I am certain that their rationale would be rumbled.
For purely selfish reasons, I would LOVE to have Aston build a manufacturing plant here in my home state of Florida. In fact, there is some recent vacant land nearby, compliments of Milton, enough to build a formidable facility.
As a thank you, I will even "donate" my background experience as a (retired) manufacturing engineer to help get them up and running.
As a thank you, I will even "donate" my background experience as a (retired) manufacturing engineer to help get them up and running.
[quote=skhannes]For purely selfish reasons, I would LOVE to have Aston build a manufacturing plant here in my home state of Florida. In fact, there is some recent vacant land nearby, compliments of Milton, enough to build a formidable facility.[quote]
Well, Lawrence Stroll is Canadian which is almost American so perhaps he can do a deal - eg give Trump a free DB12 in return for planning permission...
Well, Lawrence Stroll is Canadian which is almost American so perhaps he can do a deal - eg give Trump a free DB12 in return for planning permission...
Simpo Two said:
skhannes said:
For purely selfish reasons, I would LOVE to have Aston build a manufacturing plant here in my home state of Florida. In fact, there is some recent vacant land nearby, compliments of Milton, enough to build a formidable facility.[quote]
Well, Lawrence Stroll is Canadian which is almost American so perhaps he can do a deal - eg give Trump a free DB12 in return for planning permission...
Its a big thing to do for a 4 year window of d t rump pain. Not sure that is worthwhile?Well, Lawrence Stroll is Canadian which is almost American so perhaps he can do a deal - eg give Trump a free DB12 in return for planning permission...
Simpo Two said:
Well, Lawrence Stroll is Canadian which is almost American so perhaps he can do a deal - eg give Trump a free DB12 in return for planning permission...
Ugh... that's like saying British is almost Irish.Wouldn't a Vanquish be more appropriate for The Donald these days?
Everyone in the media here is in panic mode here about our looming economic disaster, when our largest trading partner by far decides to start pushing us around the day Trump takes office. Of course, our energy (oil) sector is being left out of the discussion, because it's a verboten topic, and likely because it will do just fine, which doesn't suit the media agenda.
Jon39 said:
The USA has become Aston Martin's most important sales area.
Unfortunately, it now appears that there might be a problem next year.
President Elect - "Here is the deal that I will be offering to every major company and manufacturer on Earth: I will give you the lowest taxes, the lowest energy costs, the lowest regulatory burden, and free access to the best and biggest market on the planet.
But only if you make your product here in America. It all goes away, if you don't make your product here. If you don't make your product here, then you will have to pay a tariff, a very substantial tariff."
How would the British government feel if AM or Jaguar decide to close their UK factory’s and move production to China?
The president elect may have just saved in ICE as well.
quench said:
Ugh... that's like saying British is almost Irish.
Wouldn't a Vanquish be more appropriate for The Donald these days?
Everyone in the media here is in panic mode here about our looming economic disaster, when our largest trading partner by far decides to start pushing us around the day Trump takes office. Of course, our energy (oil) sector is being left out of the discussion, because it's a verboten topic, and likely because it will do just fine, which doesn't suit the media agenda.
We will finally finish the Keystone XL pipeline. That will be great for Canada. Wouldn't a Vanquish be more appropriate for The Donald these days?
Everyone in the media here is in panic mode here about our looming economic disaster, when our largest trading partner by far decides to start pushing us around the day Trump takes office. Of course, our energy (oil) sector is being left out of the discussion, because it's a verboten topic, and likely because it will do just fine, which doesn't suit the media agenda.
skhannes said:
For purely selfish reasons, I would LOVE to have Aston build a manufacturing plant here in my home state of Florida. In fact, there is some recent vacant land nearby, compliments of Milton, enough to build a formidable facility.
As a thank you, I will even "donate" my background experience as a (retired) manufacturing engineer to help get them up and running.
Sounds like a great idea to me! Build the ICE ones here, build the electric ones in the Uk. As a thank you, I will even "donate" my background experience as a (retired) manufacturing engineer to help get them up and running.
CSK1 said:
AstonV said:
How would the British government feel if AM or Jaguar decide to close their UK factory’s and move production to China?
Isn’t that what happened with Lotus?Ford building trucks down in Mexico with cheap labor then shipping them into the US, while American autoworkers lose their jobs is not the same.
CSK1 said:
Yes Lotus is owned by the Chinese and the cars are being built in China in a purpose built factory.
I think the brand has completely lost its soul.
I heard Stellantis had planed on moving most or all of Chrysler Dodge Jeep production to Mexico, laying off 1000's of jobs in the USA and then shipping those cars back for sale here. Looks like those plans won't happen now.I think the brand has completely lost its soul.
AstonV said:
We will finally finish the Keystone XL pipeline. That will be great for Canada.
It will also be pretty good for those who "push" green initiatives. The dumbest move (and purely a personal, hateful one) was shutting down the pipeline in 2021. So, instead of delivering oil south, in a clean for the environment pipe, it has been delivered for the last 3 years in dirty, air polluting diesel trucks....smart!?!
skhannes said:
It will also be pretty good for those who "push" green initiatives.
The dumbest move (and purely a personal, hateful one) was shutting down the pipeline in 2021. So, instead of delivering oil south, in a clean for the environment pipe, it has been delivered for the last 3 years in dirty, air polluting diesel trucks....smart!?!
The dumbest move (and purely a personal, hateful one) was shutting down the pipeline in 2021. So, instead of delivering oil south, in a clean for the environment pipe, it has been delivered for the last 3 years in dirty, air polluting diesel trucks....smart!?!
quench said:
Simpo Two said:
Well, Lawrence Stroll is Canadian which is almost American so perhaps he can do a deal - eg give Trump a free DB12 in return for planning permission...
Ugh... that's like saying British is almost Irish.AstonV said:
How would the British government feel if AM or Jaguar decide to close their UK factory’s and move production to China?
Not moving production, merely opening a facility elsewhere. But I guess they don't have the money.Getting Trump to drive an Aston would be a PR scoop but he's too patriotic for that, and I don't blame him.
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