Vantage or Valour
Discussion
It's great to see Aston Martin have used Britain's First Supercar, the 1977 V8 Vantage, as the inspiration for the new Valour. The Le Mans race version of the V8, known as the Muncher, also factored into the body design. The question is would you rather have a new Valour of a original V8 Vantage (having owned 8 V8 Vantages I know what my choice would be!)
Anyone who has ever seen one of these up close, and looked under the hood and in the boot, for essentially the same money, would choose it over an awkward looking rebodied little turbo V12V
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307129...
This or Vulcan or Victor. The One-77 was, for me, ‘peak Aston’
Much as I love Aston’s very own AE31 twin turbo V12 and the idea of mating it to a 6 speed manual, to me there is a whiff of cynicism about the Velour.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307129...
This or Vulcan or Victor. The One-77 was, for me, ‘peak Aston’
Much as I love Aston’s very own AE31 twin turbo V12 and the idea of mating it to a 6 speed manual, to me there is a whiff of cynicism about the Velour.
Calinours said:
Much as I love Aston’s very own AE31 twin turbo V12 and the idea of mating it to a 6 speed manual, to me there is a whiff of cynicism about the Velour.
Surely it is recognition of the reality, that 6 gears (or even 5) are quite enough for a 500/600 bhp engine.
Also a last chance of providing a manaual box for those who enjoy.
If you have experienced an Aston Martin Millbrook day, you will have driven the V12, one mile standing start comparison.
First through the gears and secondly, almost entirely in 6th gear.
With so much torque, the terminal speeds of the two runs are remarkably similar, at around 160/170 mph.
Simpo Two said:
It's a pity really that AM have scattered the name 'Vantage' around so liberally over the years, because it just makes it confusing.
I am sure that you already know, John.
My understanding is that the word Vantage was always used as a suffix, to describe the more powerful version of a particular model.
Hence the V8 Vantage, being a more powerful version of the Aston Martin V8.
The 2005 Vantage might have been the first model to have changed that pattern.
I think Jerrmy Clarkson queried this naming at the time, by saying if a more powerful version of the 2005 Vantage was ever to be introduced, would it be called the Aston Martin Vantage Vantage ?
As we later found out, it was called Vantage S, then an even more powerful model, the V12 Vantage.
That then led to the 2005 Vantage bring given the nickname of V8 Vantage, causing even more confusion betwen the 1977 car and the 2005 car, both having the same name.
This reminds me of teaching an American the rules of cricket.
When you are out, you must to come in.
When you are in, you try not to be out.
You are allowed to stand at square leg with your own round legs, and if you are lucky, you can bowl a maiden over and she will not mind at all.
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Jon39 said:
Simpo Two said:
It's a pity really that AM have scattered the name 'Vantage' around so liberally over the years, because it just makes it confusing.
I am sure that you already know, John.
My understanding is that the word Vantage was always used as a suffix, to describe the more powerful version of a particular model.
Hence the V8 Vantage, being a more powerful version of the Aston Martin V8.
The 2005 Vantage might have been the first model to have changed that pattern.
I think Jerrmy Clarkson queried this naming at the time, by saying if a more powerful version of the 2005 Vantage was ever to be introduced, would it be called the Aston Martin Vantage Vantage ?
As we later found out, it was called Vantage S, then an even more powerful model, the V12 Vantage.
That then led to the 2005 Vantage bring given the nickname of V8 Vantage, causing even more confusion betwen the 1977 car and the 2005 car, both having the same name.
This reminds me of teaching an American the rules of cricket.
When you are out, you must to come in.
When you are in, you try not to be out.
You are allowed to stand at square leg with your own round legs, and if you are lucky, you can bowl a maiden over and she will not mind at all.
_ 
I always though this was a high
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This wasnt quite as good aesthetically (esp internally)
This was a return to form
And then we had this - no comment from me…
I like the Valour, but i would probably buy the original V8 Vantage first - its more pure to my eyse and of course a lot cheaper
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This wasnt quite as good aesthetically (esp internally)
This was a return to form
And then we had this - no comment from me…
I like the Valour, but i would probably buy the original V8 Vantage first - its more pure to my eyse and of course a lot cheaper
Edited by oilit on Saturday 9th September 18:42
The DBS/V8 and all derivatives through 60s
and 80s were for decades considered a low point.
The late 80s, early to late 90s 90s NP stuff was and still is considered a last-gasp beyond ugly effort from a dying company. It was only produced because the company was financially supported by Ford. Would have been bankrupt permanently in the late 80s without the the influence of Walter Hayes with Ford.
Slag the Americans if you will, AML would not still exist without them. They have the right to copy AML front ends and styling cues forever IMO.
Corporate Ford were a benevolent parent.
and 80s were for decades considered a low point.
The late 80s, early to late 90s 90s NP stuff was and still is considered a last-gasp beyond ugly effort from a dying company. It was only produced because the company was financially supported by Ford. Would have been bankrupt permanently in the late 80s without the the influence of Walter Hayes with Ford.
Slag the Americans if you will, AML would not still exist without them. They have the right to copy AML front ends and styling cues forever IMO.
Corporate Ford were a benevolent parent.
AstonV said:
Jon39 said:
Looks kind of a mess.
Yes, my eyes were immediately drawn to that front design.
Almost a mixture combination of, 'Muncher', Vulcan and new Vantage.
Anyone willing to pay £1 million, should easily be able to have that changed to their own requirements.
Pictures below of the original 'Muncher' and the Victor.
The rear three quarters shot of the Valour is interesting.
Our friend in Poland, could probably sell a few of the rear window covers to Vantage owners.
If any of you follow horsepower_hunters on Instagram there was a post recently of a new Valour belonging to a certain Celebrity Chef. They have posted three pictures and also a video of him driving it, taken at The Connaught hotel in London. It looks very nice indeed. The car that is not the hotel. Another video here from a different source. Watch out for the plant pot!
https://youtu.be/_BTKzyPJsJU
BRM.
https://youtu.be/_BTKzyPJsJU
BRM.
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