Wheel Spacers...

[Krhuangbin]

I recently stuck a pair of "universal" but reasonably high quality 5mm shim type spacers on the rear of my 06 Vantage. Was growing increasing conscious of the noticeable "inset" on the rears.

I'd read and heard that, without resorting to hubcentric type and the need to grind the incumbent bolts off/screw on the new set, 5mm should be fine.

I noticed, or thought at least, that there was more than enough "lip" left on the central hub, and plenty of thread left on the existing bolts for the wheel nuts, to accommodate a 10mm shim spacer rather than a 5mm - which I can just about notice filling the arch more by eye, but think 10mm would be better.

Thought about the 10mms on the rear and swapping the 5mm from rear to front.....

Silly idea?

Normal "spirited" road use, no track use.

Cheers

Edit to add - the 5mm seat very nicely and flat against the disc, and after 5-600 miles of very spirited driving have noticed nothing detrimental whatsoever... would be the same brand just double the thickness

Edited by Krhuangbin on Wednesday 15th February 18:46

[Graze01]

You will find multiple threads on spacers if you search them

Spacers add moment to the load centre of the car on the suspension by moving it out. General consensus is this adds to potential wear on hubs. Where opinion differs I believe is that a small amount is within design tolerances for normal use but larger spacers can challenge & increase that wear

Personally I have 11mm on the rear of my V12, but nothing on the front - reason being adding them to the front changes the steering & suspension geometry in a way I'm not comfortable with and can induce bump steer which in a fast road car isnt really what you want mid corner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ilnd5wQEpg

from experience & reading I would not go wider than 5mm without changing either the studs or the wheel nuts

hope that helps

Graze


oh yeah they do look better but thats not the only consideration

[Krhuangbin]

Graze01 said:

You will find multiple threads on spacers if you search them

Spacers add moment to the load centre of the car on the suspension by moving it out. General consensus is this adds to potential wear on hubs. Where opinion differs I believe is that a small amount is within design tolerances for normal use but larger spacers can challenge & increase that wear

Personally I have 11mm on the rear of my V12, but nothing on the front - reason being adding them to the front changes the steering & suspension geometry in a way I'm not comfortable with and can induce bump steer which in a fast road car isnt really what you want mid corner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ilnd5wQEpg

from experience & reading I would not go wider than 5mm without changing either the studs or the wheel nuts

hope that helps

Graze


oh yeah they do look better but thats not the only consideration

Thanks for that.... may just leave them as they are then

[maccavvy]

I have the hubcentric H&R spacers on mine .
11mm front
23 mm rear

the rear is a bolt on spacer . so you bolt the spacer to the car then bolt the wheel to the spacer.

If you have stock wheels the original stud needs trimming so the wheel doesnt foul it, if you have sport pack wheels they have a recess on the back so all is good .

the fronts simply fit over the existing hub then bolt your wheels on, but it is supplied with new nuts .

the original nuts have a space before the thread starts the new ones are threaded all way to the end, therefore has the same amount of thread contact

ive had these on for 7k plus miles , there is no noticable difference in ride and handling, but looks/stance are greatly improved

[Krhuangbin]

maccavvy said:

I have the hubcentric H&R spacers on mine .
11mm front
23 mm rear

the rear is a bolt on spacer . so you bolt the spacer to the car then bolt the wheel to the spacer.

If you have stock wheels the original stud needs trimming so the wheel doesnt foul it, if you have sport pack wheels they have a recess on the back so all is good .

the fronts simply fit over the existing hub then bolt your wheels on, but it is supplied with new nuts .

the original nuts have a space before the thread starts the new ones are threaded all way to the end, therefore has the same amount of thread contact

ive had these on for 7k plus miles , there is no noticable difference in ride and handling, but looks/stance are greatly improved

Thanks for that basically what I didn’t want to do was start bolting on stuff and angle grinding studs off - so I wondered if basic shim type 10mm spacers would work in the rears, with existing studs and nuts?

I won’t bother otherwise as don’t want to start chopping bits off haha.

Edited by Krhuangbin on Wednesday 22 February 18:41

Edited by Krhuangbin on Wednesday 22 February 18:42

[macdeb]

I wouldn't want to be doing away with essentially 10mm of wheel stud. Think seriously about it.

[Wessa]

So where is the best place to buy H&R spacers and bolts?. When the wheels are spaced, the car looks so much better IMO. 👍

Thanks in advance.

[maccavvy]

H&R do 11mm wheel spacers , you can fit them front and rear . simple put spacer on and use nuts supplied.

nothing chopped or messed around with .

over in the us on 6 speed forum theres 1000s that have fitted them with no issues

Edited by maccavvy on Thursday 23 February 08:13

[V8V Quadcamboy]

maccavvy said:

I have the hubcentric H&R spacers on mine .
11mm front
23 mm rear

the rear is a bolt on spacer . so you bolt the spacer to the car then bolt the wheel to the spacer.

If you have stock wheels the original stud needs trimming so the wheel doesnt foul it, if you have sport pack wheels they have a recess on the back so all is good .

the fronts simply fit over the existing hub then bolt your wheels on, but it is supplied with new nuts .

the original nuts have a space before the thread starts the new ones are threaded all way to the end, therefore has the same amount of thread contact

ive had these on for 7k plus miles , there is no noticable difference in ride and handling, but looks/stance are greatly improved

Pics please😄

[maccavvy]

macdeb said:

I wouldn't want to be doing away with essentially 10mm of wheel stud. Think seriously about it.

the 11mm H&R come with different nuts with thread all the way to the end. the original nuts have 10mm on no thread.

so exactly the same amount of thread

[maccavvy]

V8V Quadcamboy said:

Pics please??

[JohnV8V]

Hi All, I have a pair of 11mm front spacers but need the extended nuts to suit, when I have searched, I can only find steel, I am in the UK, does anyone know where I can get these nuts to suit in a light weight alloy, cheers.

[olv]

JohnV8V said:

Hi All, I have a pair of 11mm front spacers but need the extended nuts to suit, when I have searched, I can only find steel, I am in the UK, does anyone know where I can get these nuts to suit in a light weight alloy, cheers.

Sorry I can't help with your question as I used these steel nuts https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07XF1ZLRN/ref... (seemingly not available now).

But I would love to know where you got just the 11mm spacers if they're the H&R ones. The kits seem to be £350+ now which is fun, there seems to be a £250 premium for the 10 nuts that come with the kit.

[JohnV8V]

Hi and thanks for the reply, I bought them several years ago from Ebay but never got round to using them, just need the nuts, thanks again.

[IainWhy]

your not going to find aluminum wheel nuts to my knowledge as they don't exist in m14x2

you can get titanium ones at huge cost, of open ended or closed ended steel for pennies.
FWIW alloy nuts are a disaster for galling up under torque.

[BiggaJ]

Out of interest, at the recent Simply Aston Martin event at Beaulieu. I got talking to a guy parked next to me who's car had front and rear spacers fitted, he bought the car with them in place so he couldn't offer any advice on how many mm front and back were added however, in the 30 mins we were stood by our cars chatting, I as amazed at how many people came up to him to ask about them .... apparently his was the only car that had them fitted of the 500 cars that showed up. This is what most people said and most of them were members of AMOC.

It is something I have looked into doing however, I think £1000 is a bit steep for 4 machined chunks of metal.

[maccavvy]

If you shop around a set of 11+23 can be had for under £600.

I was lucky I got mine for under £400 2nd hand but not fitted

[olv]

maccavvy said:

If you shop around a set of 11+23 can be had for under £600.

I was lucky I got mine for under £400 2nd hand but not fitted

I think the price H&R want is silly. Superforma will make you bolt on spacers to your specification for £100 a pair. SSC in Germany via eBay also do a hubcentric front 12mm spacers for £120. And fully threaded wheel nuts can be sourced easily.

[Krhuangbin]

olv said:

I think the price H&R want is silly. Superforma will make you bolt on spacers to your specification for £100 a pair. SSC in Germany via eBay also do a hubcentric front 12mm spacers for £120. And fully threaded wheel nuts can be sourced easily.

Bit of a thread resurrection here however on the off chance you see this Olv....

Did you get your rear Bolt-On hubcentrics, as per the start of your readers ride's thread on your car, from Superforma? They look similar on your photos. I want to order their 20mm rears but i'm baffled about the hub thread size, wheel thread size, bore etc.

Have you got an applicable spec to hand for the 4.3 with the original wheels that would apply? Would be very grateful to see this if so

Cheers

[olv]

Krhuangbin said:

Bit of a thread resurrection here however on the off chance you see this Olv....

Did you get your rear Bolt-On hubcentrics, as per the start of your readers ride's thread on your car, from Superforma? They look similar on your photos. I want to order their 20mm rears but i'm baffled about the hub thread size, wheel thread size, bore etc.

Have you got an applicable spec to hand for the 4.3 with the original wheels that would apply? Would be very grateful to see this if so

Cheers

SKU: pcd_bolt-spacer

Width - 20mm
Hub PCD - 5x114.3mm
Hub Centre Bore - 68.1mm
Hub Fixings - Nuts
Hub Thread Size - M14 x 2
Wheel Centre Bore - 68.1mm
Wheel Fixings - Studs
Wheel Thread Size - M14 x 2
Outer Lip - yes
Manufacturing - Standard


That's was my order form but I I would recommend that you speak to them as you order as they're really helpful and will be able to guide you to make sure everything is correct.