DB9 Radiator

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paulrog1

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1,107 posts

156 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Today I removed the front slam panel and unfortunately I found the the radiator swelling at the top.

So I need to replace it, I can do it myself, no problem.

So before I have to pay around £700-£800 for a new one does anyone know of a cheaper patterned part of recon unit?

Thanks for any help.


JackCh

7 posts

81 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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It's possible to find a good used one on eBay. I would also check our the F type Jaguar rad. I believe it's identical to your Aston's and a whole lot cheaper.

SS972

591 posts

198 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Should be Jaguar MJB4190AF ou Nissens OE 66700 or 701

paulrog1

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156 months

Thursday 3rd October 2019
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SS972 said:
Should be Jaguar MJB4190AF ou Nissens OE 66700 or 701
Thanks for your replies, so these rads above are identical?? If so thats great news!!!


paulrog1

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156 months

Thursday 3rd October 2019
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Ok, so I've just had a quick look, there seems to be 3 ways of doing this -

The Nissans is the cheapest at £150 but not sure how long it will last.

The Jaguar rad is around £350 and should hopefully last for quite a while.

The Genuine Aston martin rad is around £800 from AM bits.

This is also a common rad as the DBS and Vantage uses it too, plus i dont fancy doing this job again as you have to remove the undertray, both wheel linings, slam panel, airboxes and front lights just to get the rad out!!!

So with cost in mind I'm temped to go with the Jag rad??

What do you think??

Edited by paulrog1 on Thursday 3rd October 08:36

Buster73

5,341 posts

168 months

Thursday 3rd October 2019
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£150 for me , I’d politely suggest you’ll not notice any real difference between the three of them.

paulrog1

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Thursday 3rd October 2019
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Do you think I should replace the Thermostat whilst i'm doing it, the car is now 15 years old??

I don't know if it's ever been replaced, although the cooling system is currently functioning ok.


phumy

5,796 posts

252 months

Thursday 3rd October 2019
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You said that you had a "swollen" radiator, think, what actually caused that radiator to swell? You say its been in place for 15 years, If theres a slim chance that the thermostat caused the radiator to bulge and you have good access and its easy to change, what do you think?

paulrog1

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156 months

Thursday 3rd October 2019
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I'm not sure why a radiator starts to swell, is it anything to do with the thermostat??

BamfordMike

1,192 posts

172 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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paulrog1 said:
I'm not sure why a radiator starts to swell, is it anything to do with the thermostat??
Swelling of a couple of rows of cooling fins is a perennial issue unfortunately, age relegated deterioration - but I’d more read that as low quality materials as the rad on many a 30 year old budget car is doing fine.
Stat has absolutely nothing to do with it.
If you go non OEM, check the end caps are metal, like the newer Aston part. You’ll likely need new mounting foams all round

craig elam

130 posts

141 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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the hoses on mine are always rock hard when its been running , theres a fair bit of pressure in the system, i suspect that a 15 year old rad has just got weak been blown up and let down thousands of times, never hear of any excess pressure problems in db9, if you can borrow a pressure tester / gauge it would soon tell you ,but i think its ok , used nissens in the past from euro , always been ok ,happy spannering

8Tech

2,147 posts

213 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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Buster73 said:
£150 for me , I’d politely suggest you’ll not notice any real difference between the three of them.
Agreed, Nissins are a major manufacturer of aftermarket radiators and I use them all the time on all makes without issues.

The bulging would be a pressure problem unrelated to the thermostat and can be caused by overfilling the coolant or a failure of the radiator cap.

It is also quite a common issue, especially BMW's, and seems to be age related although my theory is that debris blocks the middle, most exposed area of the radiator making it run hotter than the ends causing a thermal bending stress.

I would install the cheaper rad with a new reservoir cap.

craig elam

130 posts

141 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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yes cap a good idea, and a little bit of copperslip on bolts and screws now will save much profanity and knuckle skin later

paulrog1

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156 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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BamfordMike said:
Swelling of a couple of rows of cooling fins is a perennial issue unfortunately, age relegated deterioration - but I’d more read that as low quality materials as the rad on many a 30 year old budget car is doing fine.
Stat has absolutely nothing to do with it.
If you go non OEM, check the end caps are metal, like the newer Aston part. You’ll likely need new mounting foams all round
Thanks for all the replies guys, well appreciate it.

Why do the end tanks have to be metal? The Nissens rad have reinforced plastic end tanks, I guess that's ok as these are commonly used. Is there a reason why I need to install a rad with metal end tanks?, does the engine run higher water temps and/or pressures??

The cheapest rad with metal end tanks I can find is £700 so just £50 cheaper than AM genuine.

I'm very tempted to get the Nissens rad, it's a brand that's used on lots of mainstream cars, my DB9 ownership has to be inside a budget, thats why most of the work done is by myself, so saving over £600 from a genuine rad assuming the Nissens will last over 10 years is very cost effective.

I will be replacing the 4 foam pieces, with a new expansion tank cap, and new thermostat, all will be genuine AM parts.






paulrog1

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Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Ok, i've been looking more into types of radiators and i've got some more info if anyone wants to do this.

There are 2 diffent typres of radiator -

Mechanically assembled - Round tubes, no fixed connection between tubes and fines. Lower cooling performance.

Brazed radiator - Flattened tubes, brazed connection between tubes and fines. High cooling performance.

The original rad on the car is a brazed type, it's recommended to use the same type as before.

So the Nissens one isn't going to be suitable as it's mechanically assembled, so i've found a Hella radiator, 8MK376764-041 that is suitable and looks to fit. cost is between £200-£250.

Bear in mind i haven't done the job just yet so can't confirm that it does fit.


a98pmalcolm

213 posts

92 months

Thursday 10th October 2019
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Mine had a bulging issue at the top of the rad as it is thin and weak, common issue to be honest and is seen on the V8s too.

I fitted a full alloy one that eliminates all the plastic and thin parts. Good upgrade but will not be the cheapest.
Mine has been spot on since

We sell them for around £700 from where I work

paulrog1

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156 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Ok some more info about this.

The Hella jag XK rad will fit, BUT it won't cool the engine down properly because the radiator matrix is only 26mm thick, all the jag rads are. The AM rad is 42mm thick.

So the Jag rads are not suitable.

So the cost now rises to around £700 for a suitable rad. I recommend getting one from Paul above.


Edited by paulrog1 on Monday 14th October 20:33

SS972

591 posts

198 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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paulrog1 said:
Ok some more info about this.

The Hella jag XK rad will fit, BUT it won't cool the engine down properly because the radiator matrix is only 26mm thick, all the jag rads are. The AM rad is 42mm thick.

So the Jag rads are not suitable.

So the cost now rises to around £700 for a suitable rad. I recommend getting one from Paul above.


Edited by paulrog1 on Monday 14th October 20:33
Thanks for this, and sorry the wrong info

paulrog1

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Wednesday 20th November 2019
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I've just completed replacing the radiator on my DB9.

Yes it was a pain to do as to remove the cross member you need to move the wings out and drop the front lights.

A big thankyou to Paul (a98pmalcolm) for sourcing me a new radiator, top quality, made from the same company who supplies Aston Martin.

I also took the time to replace the thermostat, coolant reservoir cap, radiator hoses with new clips, auxiliary belt, idler pulleys and tensioner pulley too as these where so easy to get to once the rad was out.

Great job done, should keep it going for years to come.



Edited by paulrog1 on Wednesday 20th November 18:49

a98pmalcolm

213 posts

92 months

Thursday 21st November 2019
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Awesome news Paul. Told you it was a pain biggrin