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silverspeed said:
Has anyone had the new P zero options fitted yet to their cars? I understand it is an intermediate tyre?
There seems to be a lack of understanding of the P Zero. It is a full on, maximum performance 'summer tire', which means very bad in cold/wet conditions. The Corsa on the V12V is even worse, since it is a 'legal' race tire. For UK winter conditions, neither of these would be acceptable...both are far from an 'intermediate'.Here's what Pirelli say:
Caution: P Zero Corsa tires are not recommended for high-speed driving on extremely wet roads/tracks with standing water where there is the risk of hydroplaning. This is especially true of shaved or worn tires. Drivers should drive cautiously at reduced speeds in these conditions.
The P Zero, like all summer tires, is not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.
Just had DBS wheels and P-Zeroes fitted to my DB9. The difference in grip both under throttle and braking is superb compared to the OEM DB9 tyres.
The extra width helps of course, but it's a better tyre. Have I used it in the freezing cold... No, why would I? Have I tried extreme acceleration or braking on the rain... No, why would I?? I would expect it to be better than the OEM DB9 tyre though
No idea what Corsas are like, but the Zeroes are great!
The extra width helps of course, but it's a better tyre. Have I used it in the freezing cold... No, why would I? Have I tried extreme acceleration or braking on the rain... No, why would I?? I would expect it to be better than the OEM DB9 tyre though
No idea what Corsas are like, but the Zeroes are great!
DB9VolanteDriver said:
P Zeros have a tread rating of 220 while Corsas have a rating of 60. Which means great dry/hot handling, lousy wear, and no traction in cold/wet conditions. Corsas are well and truly summer only tires (and in places where it doesn't rain all the time).
Can I ask if you guys have experience of Corsas or Sport Cups on other cars at all?I have run both GT3s with Sport Cups and Corsas and now a Scuderia on Corsas with no issues in cold weather at all. I am mystified by the advice being given here.
Cups are of course pretty lethal when worn more than half way in standing water but Corsas have always on at least 4 different high performance cars I've owned been perfectly fine.
Diamond blue said:
Can I ask if you guys have experience of Corsas or Sport Cups on other cars at all?
I have run both GT3s with Sport Cups and Corsas and now a Scuderia on Corsas with no issues in cold weather at all. I am mystified by the advice being given here.
Cups are of course pretty lethal when worn more than half way in standing water but Corsas have always on at least 4 different high performance cars I've owned been perfectly fine.
agreed.I have run both GT3s with Sport Cups and Corsas and now a Scuderia on Corsas with no issues in cold weather at all. I am mystified by the advice being given here.
Cups are of course pretty lethal when worn more than half way in standing water but Corsas have always on at least 4 different high performance cars I've owned been perfectly fine.
yeti said:
Have I tried extreme acceleration or braking on the rain... No, why would I?? I would expect it to be better than the OEM DB9 tyre though
Aren't the DBS tyres wider? If so then increased contact patch = decreased lb/square inch on road = poorer water clearing = increased propensity to aquaplane.
I'd have thought that the RE50 would have been better in the rain owing to blockier tread being able to displace more water and generate some tread temperature through block squirm
Well that's what I thought!
Yeti is spot on, the Porker's weight over the rear wheels creates great traction, while the Fezza isn't big on low down torque.
I also think that the Michelins (Porsches main choice now on GT models) are better resolved than the Pirelli's, infact Porsche have moved away from P Corsa's.
IMO AM made the wrong tyre choice with the V12V (for northern Europe anyway), while you will clearly have traction issues on wet or icy roads with any tyre when you are deploying 510 bhp and 420lbft of torque, the Corsa's are crap on bone dry cool days as well! In the guide Simon from 6th gear experience stated that the DBS offered better wet weather handling than his Ferraris. So in the absence of a Michelin option I think P Zeros will be the way to go when my Corsa's wear out!
I also think that the Michelins (Porsches main choice now on GT models) are better resolved than the Pirelli's, infact Porsche have moved away from P Corsa's.
IMO AM made the wrong tyre choice with the V12V (for northern Europe anyway), while you will clearly have traction issues on wet or icy roads with any tyre when you are deploying 510 bhp and 420lbft of torque, the Corsa's are crap on bone dry cool days as well! In the guide Simon from 6th gear experience stated that the DBS offered better wet weather handling than his Ferraris. So in the absence of a Michelin option I think P Zeros will be the way to go when my Corsa's wear out!
I for one am glad my car has P-Zero Corsas. It's a point of difference to the DBS and I think a statement of intent for the V12 Vantage. Given I have no interest in ever taking my car out when there's ice and even worse, salt, on the roads it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Dry road grip is stupendous and a worthwhile trade off for me.
Slightly worried that some people are surprised that a small car with a 510bhp, 6 litre V12 might be prone to wheelspin in less than ideal conditions.
Slightly worried that some people are surprised that a small car with a 510bhp, 6 litre V12 might be prone to wheelspin in less than ideal conditions.
The Pits said:
I for one am glad my car has P-Zero Corsas. It's a point of difference to the DBS and I think a statement of intent for the V12 Vantage. Given I have no interest in ever taking my car out when there's ice and even worse, salt, on the roads it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Dry road grip is stupendous and a worthwhile trade off for me.
Slightly worried that some people are surprised that a small car with a 510bhp, 6 litre V12 might be prone to wheelspin in less than ideal conditions.
Ditto Slightly worried that some people are surprised that a small car with a 510bhp, 6 litre V12 might be prone to wheelspin in less than ideal conditions.
Hear what you are saying guys, I don't want to drive my Aston in snow either, but I do want to take it out on a cold, crisp, dry winters day and I'm happy to use the car in the wet as well. From my experience the Michelins are so much better at cold/wet weather grip than the Pirelli Corsas, but still awesome in the warm/dry. Anyway each to their own, that's what makes the world go around, but I'll be going to the P-Zeros when I need to change mine.
peterr96 said:
Yeti I'm intigued. I'm not picking a fight!
Aren't the DBS tyres wider? If so then increased contact patch = decreased lb/square inch on road = poorer water clearing = increased propensity to aquaplane.
I'd have thought that the RE50 would have been better in the rain owing to blockier tread being able to displace more water and generate some tread temperature through block squirm
Well that's what I thought!
Better for me peter - my RE50s were nearing the tread limit indicators when I changed and were not new when I got them so performance was never great, but perfectly adequate. Never tried to nail the throttle or slam on the brakes when there is standing water, but the P-Zeroes have so far felt confidence inspiring in every scenario I have driven in! Aren't the DBS tyres wider? If so then increased contact patch = decreased lb/square inch on road = poorer water clearing = increased propensity to aquaplane.
I'd have thought that the RE50 would have been better in the rain owing to blockier tread being able to displace more water and generate some tread temperature through block squirm
Well that's what I thought!
In an extreme emergency situation of slamming on the brakes on standing water, maybe the RE50s would be better than P-Zeros if both had the same tread depth. Your point makes perfect sense to me, i hope never to test it
yeti said:
Better for me peter - my RE50s were nearing the tread limit indicators when I changed and were not new when I got them so performance was never great, but perfectly adequate. Never tried to nail the throttle or slam on the brakes when there is standing water, but the P-Zeroes have so far felt confidence inspiring in every scenario I have driven in!
In an extreme emergency situation of slamming on the brakes on standing water, maybe the RE50s would be better than P-Zeros if both had the same tread depth. Your point makes perfect sense to me, i hope never to test it
PhewIn an extreme emergency situation of slamming on the brakes on standing water, maybe the RE50s would be better than P-Zeros if both had the same tread depth. Your point makes perfect sense to me, i hope never to test it
I'm not going mad!
Funnily enough, I'm still not as happy with our new RE50s (last June) than I was with the previous set.
I had the alignment checked by DMS last Sept but that niggle persists.
Thinking BR for it's sept service and get them to check it out.
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