Vanquish vs Vanquish S

Vanquish vs Vanquish S

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JCB123

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2,265 posts

202 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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No reason for asking, but what's the real difference between the Van and the Van S? Other than the best part of £40k second hand?

And would it be £40k well spent?

Neil1300R

5,498 posts

184 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Uprated suspension, brakes and cylinder head. Modifications on gearchange, and most of the Vanquish S have an updated centre console, that looks more modern.

JohnG1

3,485 posts

211 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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520bhp vs 460bhp


yeti

10,523 posts

281 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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JCB123 said:
And would it be £40k well spent?
It'll be the 'S' that is really sought after long-term, like the 'Vantage' spec models of the old DBs cars. From what I'm told, the S turns a traditional hand-made Aston with all the associated foibles into one that can compete with the big boys on an even footing.

However, I have driven neither smile

michael gould

5,692 posts

247 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Vanquish has a terible reputation for problems........Vanquish S dealt with 80% of those problems......not unusual to get an 8k bill to keep a Vanquish on the road.......not for the poor !

Ed50

2,574 posts

187 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Nice potted analogy Michael.

Just been whining on this afternoon about going down the Van S route myself so your thoughts went down well with
the wife no end and lets say its slightly dampened my powder.....

Spare some change for an enlightened pauper sir....now where did I leave my slippers and bowl of gruel.

michael gould

5,692 posts

247 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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I would love one but not the bills

George H

14,713 posts

170 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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michael gould said:
I would love one but not the bills
My uncle has a 'regular' Vanquish, never had any massive unexpected costs that I'm aware of. I think service costs are a fairly major expense - every 6 months isn't it?

Some solace must be taken in the fact that they seem to be appreciating though.

yeti

10,523 posts

281 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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George H said:
My uncle has a 'regular' Vanquish, never had any massive unexpected costs that I'm aware of. I think service costs are a fairly major expense - every 6 months isn't it?

Some solace must be taken in the fact that they seem to be appreciating though.
DB7s are 6 monthly services as well, but most owners go for the annual as they are low milers. I'm guesing the 6 monthers are more critcal with the Vanquish though, not least to maintain the value.

Rick reports that if they're looked after right, especially with regard to keeping the gearbox in good shape, might get away with DB7 standards of running costs. He had a lovely early car in there one time which I asked lots of questions on, it was in good shape.

George H

14,713 posts

170 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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yeti said:
DB7s are 6 monthly services as well, but most owners go for the annual as they are low milers. I'm guesing the 6 monthers are more critcal with the Vanquish though, not least to maintain the value.

Rick reports that if they're looked after right, especially with regard to keeping the gearbox in good shape, might get away with DB7 standards of running costs. He had a lovely early car in there one time which I asked lots of questions on, it was in good shape.
If you could get away with DB7 running costs it wouldn't be too bad, but the expense if something did go wrong, I imagine would be scary.

Still, I think they are an absolute bargain since you can pick an early one up for less than £40k. Especially because they are rising in value too.

I think they are one of the best Aston designs ever, just a shame they never made a Volante (except for that one off Zagato one).

Jockman

17,988 posts

166 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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George H said:
... you can pick an early one up for less than £40k. Especially because they are rising in value too...
You sure mate ??

I thought it was only the Vanquish S that was specifically 'holding its own or appreciating slightly'. Once the bills are accounted for this no doubt turns any appreciation into depreciation in real terms.

Surely the fact that you can get an early standard Vanquish for in the £30ks implies that most of these cars are heading downwards like pretty much everything else.

Also why are there 2 'p's in appreciation but only one in depreciation. Has the word itself, by definition, depreciated ? smile

Neil1300R

5,498 posts

184 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Only the 'S' looks like it is holding its value, and actaully increased from the beginning of the year. Will be interesting to see what the price does over the winter months.
Normal Vanquish prices are still slowly depreciating.
Not that I have been monitoring prices / dreaming. Oh no, not me....

George H

14,713 posts

170 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Jockman said:
You sure mate ??

I thought it was only the Vanquish S that was specifically 'holding its own or appreciating slightly'. Once the bills are accounted for this no doubt turns any appreciation into depreciation in real terms.

Surely the fact that you can get an early standard Vanquish for in the £30ks implies that most of these cars are heading downwards like pretty much everything else.

Also why are there 2 'p's in appreciation but only one in depreciation. Has the word itself, by definition, depreciated ? smile
Well my logic behind that is due to at the start of the year, and last year, there were quite a few under £40k. There is only one in there now, and it has quite high mileage. £50k seems to be about right for a 'regular' Vanquish now.

The S looks like it is rising more, especially the Ultimate edition, which I still don't quite understand how it can be worth £50k+ more than a standard S because it has some fancy paint and leather.

In answer to your gramatical question, I can only assume it is because the prefix for appriciate is 'ap', whereas the prefix for depreciate is 'de'. smile

michael gould

5,692 posts

247 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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to the OP..... there are a few early cars that have had the gearbox and brake upgrades.....these cost about 10k......so if you can’t afford the Vanquish S then look around for an older car that somebody else has sunk a 5 figure sum into........the safer option is to buy a DB9.....similar car ....same engine....better interior....but not as exclusive (and not as abusive on your wallet)

Good luck.....half the fun is in the chase for the right car

Neil1300R

5,498 posts

184 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Jockman said:
Also why are there 2 'p's in appreciation but only one in depreciation. Has the word itself, by definition, depreciated ? smile
Appreciate is from Latin - appretiât, or possibly French - appréciation
Depreciation is an American word, first used about 1740
And as we all know the Colonists can't spell!

yeti

10,523 posts

281 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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George H said:
yeti said:
DB7s are 6 monthly services as well, but most owners go for the annual as they are low milers. I'm guesing the 6 monthers are more critcal with the Vanquish though, not least to maintain the value.

Rick reports that if they're looked after right, especially with regard to keeping the gearbox in good shape, might get away with DB7 standards of running costs. He had a lovely early car in there one time which I asked lots of questions on, it was in good shape.
If you could get away with DB7 running costs it wouldn't be too bad, but the expense if something did go wrong, I imagine would be scary.
I'd better add to my original comment - Rick told me they needed to be well maintained and there were no problems with the early car he works on; I made the connection to DB7 running costs (pretty high anyway) with 6 monthly service intervals and the lack of a gearbox rebuild, which I thought was necessary, so not his remarks!

michael gould

5,692 posts

247 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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A well-known and respected Aston main dealer described the Vanquish as "delicate" I don't agree with Yeti...a Vanquish could easily cost 3X the cost of a DB7 .....They are not for the faint hearted....I would love one but the potential costs scare the crap out of me

JCB123

Original Poster:

2,265 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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This isn't looking good for what I consider the last 'mean' looking Aston....

IMHO the DBS needs some protien!

Jockman

17,988 posts

166 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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JCB123 said:
This isn't looking good for what I consider the last 'mean' looking Aston....

IMHO the DBS needs some protien!
The Vanquish is indeed a 'masculine' car to look at.

However, the DBS is a vey brutal looking car. Like it's brutal little brother - the V12V - it does encourage other cars to move to one side when approaching smile

JohnG1

3,485 posts

211 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Jockman said:
The Vanquish is indeed a 'masculine' car to look at.

However, the DBS is a vey brutal looking car. Like it's brutal little brother - the V12V - it does encourage other cars to move to one side when approaching smile
No one ever pulls out of my way in the Aygo but they do in the V12V....