V12 Vantage numbers
Discussion
I am aware this topic has cropped up on a few recent threads, but thought I would share some info I read this morning.
I've just received the a copy of the AMOC "DB7 to One-77 Register", listing info about AMOC members cars. In the preface to the V12 Vantage section, it mentions the following:
"Sales in North America began in late 2010 and at the same time, the plan to limit production to just 1000 examples was quietly dropped"
Any comment or other insights into this new information?
I've just received the a copy of the AMOC "DB7 to One-77 Register", listing info about AMOC members cars. In the preface to the V12 Vantage section, it mentions the following:
"Sales in North America began in late 2010 and at the same time, the plan to limit production to just 1000 examples was quietly dropped"
Any comment or other insights into this new information?
Edited by AMArchie on Saturday 28th May 12:32
AMArchie said:
I am aware this topic has cropped up on a few recent threads, but thought I would share some info I read this morning.
I've just received the a copy of the AMOC "DBY to One-77 Register", listing info about AMOC members cars. In the preface to the V12 Vantage section, it mentions the following:
"Sales in North America began in late 2010 and at the same time, the plan to limit production to just 1000 examples was quietly dropped"
Any comment or other insights into this new information?
Comment: Hmmmm. Anyone who bought one new based in part on the limit of 1000 has a chance of making a claim against the company for mis-representation.I've just received the a copy of the AMOC "DBY to One-77 Register", listing info about AMOC members cars. In the preface to the V12 Vantage section, it mentions the following:
"Sales in North America began in late 2010 and at the same time, the plan to limit production to just 1000 examples was quietly dropped"
Any comment or other insights into this new information?
If people bought a product on the basis of claims made by a manufacturer and then the manufacturer sells more then this is a common law offence of 'misrepresentation of the market".
There are a number of legal types on here. Anyone?
John - I should imagine most people bought them because they are gorgeous fab cars, not due to the limiting of their numbers.
I've stated before that if you go onto the NEW Car generator on the AM website (I accept most people simply use the used car locator), the V12V has always, even now, been available to order, unlike all the other models they have stopped making.
I'm going to ask Lady Topaz if I can buy her car now
I've stated before that if you go onto the NEW Car generator on the AM website (I accept most people simply use the used car locator), the V12V has always, even now, been available to order, unlike all the other models they have stopped making.
I'm going to ask Lady Topaz if I can buy her car now
Jockman said:
Just read up on it (pg 217 of the Register) and Archie is correct.
Indeed, it's slightly bewildering that they never intended offering this to the US market, as this would involve 12 months of re-engineering.
I read in a print magazine (Octane, Evo, Car - one of them) that AM believed that they could not get the car approved. Then AM took alernative advice and they realised it would be easy.Indeed, it's slightly bewildering that they never intended offering this to the US market, as this would involve 12 months of re-engineering.
As long as the excess production over 1000 units is all going to the US then I dont see that it really matters, as the number of cars in the UK wont change. If however there is now an open ended supply of them for the UK / rest of the world too then I would think that most buyers would have a very good legal case. All we would need to proove is a loss from it, which should be quite easy to proove as any car in limited production (especially a really great one) will always hold its value better than one with an open ended supply. I for one factored in the limited production issue as I felt that would help the car to hold its value much better as soon as the 1000 cars were made.
Yes its a great car, and yes I still have no regrets over buying it, but as good as it is I wouldnt have put £110k+ into an asset unless it had a good chance of holding onto its value at a reasonable rate. I am sure I wont be the only owner on here that would be p***ed off if it becomes apparent that we had suffered financial loss as a consequence of such a change.
If of course the above is actually true and not just some journalist making assumptions having seen sepeculative posts on forums such as this. I guess until somebody can show evidence of a car with a production number > 1000 that isnt in the US then it must remains as just speculation.
Yes its a great car, and yes I still have no regrets over buying it, but as good as it is I wouldnt have put £110k+ into an asset unless it had a good chance of holding onto its value at a reasonable rate. I am sure I wont be the only owner on here that would be p***ed off if it becomes apparent that we had suffered financial loss as a consequence of such a change.
If of course the above is actually true and not just some journalist making assumptions having seen sepeculative posts on forums such as this. I guess until somebody can show evidence of a car with a production number > 1000 that isnt in the US then it must remains as just speculation.
Edited by Adam2S on Saturday 28th May 14:32
100% agree with Adam and as much as I love AM and my V12 I just wish they would make their position clear.
Some times I wonder if they actually know themselves,the Dealers appear to be in the dark and seem
unable to clarify the magic number.
So that just leaves us the paying customers to wonder if we really matter?.
Crimey V12V numbers,the Cygnet its all getting to much for me can't somebody just put us out of our misery.
At this rate I can feel an F car coming on,what a shame I'd just convinced the wife to let me have a Z.....
Some times I wonder if they actually know themselves,the Dealers appear to be in the dark and seem
unable to clarify the magic number.
So that just leaves us the paying customers to wonder if we really matter?.
Crimey V12V numbers,the Cygnet its all getting to much for me can't somebody just put us out of our misery.
At this rate I can feel an F car coming on,what a shame I'd just convinced the wife to let me have a Z.....
Ed50 said:
Crimey V12V numbers,the Cygnet its all getting to much for me can't somebody just put us out of our misery.
Eduardo, I'm more than happy to make you an offer for your gorgeous beast (car, not wife) before the downward spiral happens.Welcome to the DB9 depreciating appreciation club
All cars depreciate - but only if and when you sell. Enjoy the car instead of worrying about it would be my advise. If AML can produce and sell more than the planned 1000 cars it is a testament to it being a great car and hence more money for AML which can't be a bad think in the long run.
Owners may have an obvious legal case, but equally Aston would be able to avoid it easily. Cease production at 1000 units. Release the V12V 'S'. Give it 50bhp more and some different interior snazz, release a roadster version and make neither limited production.
Current V12V owners are "accommodated", Aston sells more cars.
Unless, that is, they've struggled to sell 1000....And it's still on the system as the limit's not been reached yet.
Current V12V owners are "accommodated", Aston sells more cars.
Unless, that is, they've struggled to sell 1000....And it's still on the system as the limit's not been reached yet.
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