The new Vantage?
Discussion
Kerniki said:
sticks090460 said:
Drove one today whilst my 2019 version was being serviced. The way it gets the power down is a huge improvement over my car; how much is down to PS5s on 21” vs P-Zero on 20” I’m not sure. The on-paper figures give you no clue on how much faster the new car feels, and it does it with no drama whatsoever; the gear changes are now practically seamless, rather than having the deliberate pause between ratios. Styling is subjective; I prefer my car, most people seem not to. I wasn’t so blown away by the interior as everyone else seems to be, either. Although I only had 45-50 minutes in the car, I think the interface is very complex, and I don’t like the fact that the suspension, exhaust and throttle map settings are now all fixed programmes unless you go into Individual mode and set the car up manually. Steering wheel is very busy, and the rim is too thick. Shift paddles on the wheel instead of fixed is a change that no-one needed. Another annoyance is the fact that if you’ve gone into manual shifting mode, to go back into auto you can’t just pull on the up paddle - you have to press a button on the centre console for one second; takes you eye off the road and nothing like as intuitive. Car sounds very different, which was a surprise given the essentially similar engine. The over-riding impression left was of the driving experience however, and that’s a big step on from the current car. 
Thanks.Grip will be the e-diff from the took from the AMG GTR/C i’d imagine, they have no problem deploying 700hp either.
Most importantly for me, what was the ride like in its softest setting? vs your car?
Europe are lagging well behind on demos so not had a ride yet, and ride comfort is my no.1 concern with this car and a uk road test is probably the more testing
sticks090460 said:
<clip> Another annoyance is the fact that if you’ve gone into manual shifting mode, to go back into auto you can’t just pull on the up paddle - you have to press a button on the centre console for one second; takes you eye off the road and nothing like as intuitive. ...
I've not driven one of these but that sounds weird. In my Porsche with PDK it was in automatic but you simply pulled a paddle to drop a gear, say in readiness for an overtake, you were then in manual mode but if you left it for 30 seconds it would revert back to auto gear selection. Very intuitive. RichB said:
I've not driven one of these but that sounds weird. In my Porsche with PDK it was in automatic but you simply pulled a paddle to drop a gear, say in readiness for an overtake, you were then in manual mode but if you left it for 30 seconds it would revert back to auto gear selection. Very intuitive.
That would drive me completely insane. The Vantage single pull to switch modes is the best interface I have used. The second best is BMW M DCT with a sideways pull of the central gear lever. If my car switched itself out of manual mode I’d return it. sticks090460 said:
Kerniki said:
sticks090460 said:
Drove one today whilst my 2019 version was being serviced. The way it gets the power down is a huge improvement over my car; how much is down to PS5s on 21” vs P-Zero on 20” I’m not sure. The on-paper figures give you no clue on how much faster the new car feels, and it does it with no drama whatsoever; the gear changes are now practically seamless, rather than having the deliberate pause between ratios. Styling is subjective; I prefer my car, most people seem not to. I wasn’t so blown away by the interior as everyone else seems to be, either. Although I only had 45-50 minutes in the car, I think the interface is very complex, and I don’t like the fact that the suspension, exhaust and throttle map settings are now all fixed programmes unless you go into Individual mode and set the car up manually. Steering wheel is very busy, and the rim is too thick. Shift paddles on the wheel instead of fixed is a change that no-one needed. Another annoyance is the fact that if you’ve gone into manual shifting mode, to go back into auto you can’t just pull on the up paddle - you have to press a button on the centre console for one second; takes you eye off the road and nothing like as intuitive. Car sounds very different, which was a surprise given the essentially similar engine. The over-riding impression left was of the driving experience however, and that’s a big step on from the current car.
Thanks.Grip will be the e-diff from the took from the AMG GTR/C i’d imagine, they have no problem deploying 700hp either.
Most importantly for me, what was the ride like in its softest setting? vs your car?
Europe are lagging well behind on demos so not had a ride yet, and ride comfort is my no.1 concern with this car and a uk road test is probably the more testing
Kerniki said:
sticks090460 said:
Kerniki said:
sticks090460 said:
Drove one today whilst my 2019 version was being serviced. The way it gets the power down is a huge improvement over my car; how much is down to PS5s on 21” vs P-Zero on 20” I’m not sure. The on-paper figures give you no clue on how much faster the new car feels, and it does it with no drama whatsoever; the gear changes are now practically seamless, rather than having the deliberate pause between ratios. Styling is subjective; I prefer my car, most people seem not to. I wasn’t so blown away by the interior as everyone else seems to be, either. Although I only had 45-50 minutes in the car, I think the interface is very complex, and I don’t like the fact that the suspension, exhaust and throttle map settings are now all fixed programmes unless you go into Individual mode and set the car up manually. Steering wheel is very busy, and the rim is too thick. Shift paddles on the wheel instead of fixed is a change that no-one needed. Another annoyance is the fact that if you’ve gone into manual shifting mode, to go back into auto you can’t just pull on the up paddle - you have to press a button on the centre console for one second; takes you eye off the road and nothing like as intuitive. Car sounds very different, which was a surprise given the essentially similar engine. The over-riding impression left was of the driving experience however, and that’s a big step on from the current car.
Thanks.Grip will be the e-diff from the took from the AMG GTR/C i’d imagine, they have no problem deploying 700hp either.
Most importantly for me, what was the ride like in its softest setting? vs your car?
Europe are lagging well behind on demos so not had a ride yet, and ride comfort is my no.1 concern with this car and a uk road test is probably the more testing
RoNNy379CH said:
here in Switzerland the first one 2024 Vantage is available. For 333 333 CHF (289369 GBP) very pricy....
Are there huge taxes in Switzerland to reach that price?
How many V8 Vantages at £290,000 would they sell in the UK ?
Two for each dealer (demonstrator and showroom) would be my guess.
Strong demand would not be present at that pricing, for the core main model.
We were able to test drive the 2024 Vantage last month.
We are very impressed with the driving experience. In normal Sport mode, it drives very pleasantly and quietly and in contrast to our 2020 Vantage, which behaves rather nervously on long-distance journeys. We also find the new seats more comfortable.
Sport+ and Track are also tuned much more differently and you can notice the difference much more clearly.
The exhaust note is clearly duller and richer than our 2020 without OPF. The sound is really, really good.
In the interior you immediately notice the increased luxury compared to our 2020 model. The downside is that the 007 flair with the many beautiful buttons is completely lost. In general, the interior is also quieter, more subdued compared to our 2020.
There is currently a very good price advantage on the available accessories when configuring the new vehicle.
All in all a significant step up compared to our 2020....unfortunately :-)
We configured and ordered the next generation Vantage this month and will get it for my birthday in March 2025.
We are very impressed with the driving experience. In normal Sport mode, it drives very pleasantly and quietly and in contrast to our 2020 Vantage, which behaves rather nervously on long-distance journeys. We also find the new seats more comfortable.
Sport+ and Track are also tuned much more differently and you can notice the difference much more clearly.
The exhaust note is clearly duller and richer than our 2020 without OPF. The sound is really, really good.
In the interior you immediately notice the increased luxury compared to our 2020 model. The downside is that the 007 flair with the many beautiful buttons is completely lost. In general, the interior is also quieter, more subdued compared to our 2020.
There is currently a very good price advantage on the available accessories when configuring the new vehicle.
All in all a significant step up compared to our 2020....unfortunately :-)
We configured and ordered the next generation Vantage this month and will get it for my birthday in March 2025.
RoNNy379CH said:
There is currently a very good price advantage on the available accessories when configuring the new vehicle.
Response from a UK dealer when questioned directly about this - "The trouble with discount is that’s why Aston were in the mess they were. People want discount but don’t want depreciation. It cannot work both ways. The stronger ‘We’ are with pricing the better the cars will hold up which is why DB12’s have had a residual lift in the last couple of months. Hopefully Vantage will see subsequent lifts as we see how they perform in the used market, most likely this time next year."Has anyone is UK successfully negotiated a worthwhile discount on a new Vantage (e.g. not just a 'free' car cover, battery charger, hat or T-shirt?
VantageHead said:
Response from a UK dealer when questioned directly about this - "The trouble with discount is that’s why Aston were in the mess they were. People want discount but don’t want depreciation. It cannot work both ways. The stronger ‘We’ are with pricing the better the cars will hold up which is why DB12’s have had a residual lift in the last couple of months. Hopefully Vantage will see subsequent lifts as we see how they perform in the used market, most likely this time next year."
Has anyone is UK successfully negotiated a worthwhile discount on a new Vantage (e.g. not just a 'free' car cover, battery charger, hat or T-shirt?
Has anyone is UK successfully negotiated a worthwhile discount on a new Vantage (e.g. not just a 'free' car cover, battery charger, hat or T-shirt?
Instead of a free hat (I think they want over £50), perhaps try for a free V8 Vantage hardback book (brochure), complete with the optional translation from Gobbledegook to English. -
It might now be worth us starting a topic.
This is the second recent rebuff, to an offer of a deal with discount. Various different reasons might be entertaining.
Your salesman might have to try harder.
Ask the V12 Vantage buyers, whether paying full price, helped to secure strong residuals.
Seriously though, buying soon after launch is probably unlikely to achieve a discount.
If AML and dealers encounter a slowdown of sales with any model, then prospective customers are of course in a much stronger negotiating position.
Alternatively, if you can be patient, buy at two years old from a main dealer, with 40% off list.
Jon39 said:
If AML and dealers encounter a slowdown of sales with any model, then prospective customers are of course in a much stronger negotiating position.
Alternatively, if you can be patient, buy at two years old from a main dealer, with 40% off list.
Apart from a strange blip in the sales figures 15-20 years ago, is "a slowdown of sales" not the permanent state of being for AML?Alternatively, if you can be patient, buy at two years old from a main dealer, with 40% off list.
It's sage advice to wait a short couple of years for the massive discount. Try that with your Porsche or Ferrari - hah!
VantageHead said:
Response from a UK dealer when questioned directly about this - "The trouble with discount is that’s why Aston were in the mess they were. People want discount but don’t want depreciation. It cannot work both ways. The stronger ‘We’ are with pricing the better the cars will hold up which is why DB12’s have had a residual lift in the last couple of months. Hopefully Vantage will see subsequent lifts as we see how they perform in the used market, most likely this time next year."
That sounds like marketing spiel no.1 from the book. Aston need to sell cars.
His comment that the new Vantage price will lift is agreeing that it will instantly depreciate as with the V12 special edition irrespective of discount or otherwise especially as they have yet to be even delivered ?!
I also doubt that the DB12 has seen a lift not when virtually other car has continued to see a drop.
I have spoken to 2 dealers in the last few weeks both of whom are willing to grant a discount BUT it’s not remotely my definition of sizeable.
New Vantages are what £200k specced? The interior is a big improvement no doubt and it’s a big power hike from previous model but when you see the DBS SL available at £50-60k less well I know where I’d put my money. I’m still not convinced by the new look front end it’s echoing the 177 which came out what 14 yrs ago ?
Calinours said:
Anyone managed a test drive yet?
I had a test drive related in the other New Vantage thread (why are there two threads about the same topic, it would probably be easier to merge them both).https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I think the last of the V12 Vantages look increasingly attractive. Limited numbers, similar price point, little or no depreciation to be expected as opposed to the new car. Having driven the New Vantage earlier this month, I think it’s a great car and deserves to be a success.
And probably a better car than the last gen V12 Vantage all things considered.
I’ve been very impressed by my test drive.
And probably a better car than the last gen V12 Vantage all things considered.
I’ve been very impressed by my test drive.
VantageHead said:
Response from a UK dealer when questioned directly about this - "The trouble with discount is that’s why Aston were in the mess they were. People want discount but don’t want depreciation........
here in switzerland the discount is limited for a handfull of new orders until fall this year. Maybe the discount would be available in 2025 too but not gurantee. It called launch pakage and you got a discount of 27k CHF for options in the configurator not on the base price..Edited by RoNNy379CH on Wednesday 28th August 07:45
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