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KevinBird said:
quench said:
Shhh! Don't tell anyone: Aston slipped in a FWD platform this time around. They figured no one would notice, just like when BMW did it with their 1er.
FWD is a Q option 
Calinours said:
KevinBird said:
quench said:
Shhh! Don't tell anyone: Aston slipped in a FWD platform this time around. They figured no one would notice, just like when BMW did it with their 1er.
FWD is a Q option I am replying to your original broadcast at 10:38am. Need to wait 16 minutes, before replying to your 10:54 am repeat.
One Cygnet might have torque steer, if you could stop the wheels spinning.
Thinking a little further, maybe ignore that. It could be rear wheel drive.
Jon39 said:
Calinours said:
KevinBird said:
quench said:
Shhh! Don't tell anyone: Aston slipped in a FWD platform this time around. They figured no one would notice, just like when BMW did it with their 1er.
FWD is a Q option I am replying to your original broadcast at 10:38am. Need to wait 16 minutes, before replying to your 10:54 am repeat.
One Cygnet might have torque steer, if you could stop the wheels spinning.
Thinking a little further, maybe ignore that. It could be rear wheel drive.
The double post thing happens often. I’m often deleting a second post that appears. It must be the way I use the mobile phone browser while out of UK or some other bug resulting from the more than likely half baked and completely non tech savvy way I use my mobile phone.
Back on topic after another Jon meander, I thought that the poster commenting on torque steer maybe meant to say that the tendency of the rear to come a little unstuck under power had improved but just used an incorrect term. Not everyone is familiar with all the terms the automotive journalists all pretend to know so much about..
Edited by Calinours on Saturday 27th January 12:30
Herb1e said:
Just got over the negative comments about silver cars...
Obviously the car is very fast, but what is not so obvious is how rewarding it is to drive. The steering is accurate and intuitive, the car holds its line really well. The brakes are beautifully weighted and have immediate feel, no excess travel in the pedal. The power and torque are just intoxicating. There's no torque steer, it's predictable and generates confidence even in adverse conditions. It may be very slightly down on power and performance compared to a DBS but it is more usable most of the time.
You can feel the size and weight of the car but that's the price of luxury and comfort. It's a brilliant combination of hand built luxury and dynamic performance.
When you see how far back the engine is positioned I can't imagine a V12 could be installed without compromising the front/rear weight balance.
That looks incredible, congratulations.Obviously the car is very fast, but what is not so obvious is how rewarding it is to drive. The steering is accurate and intuitive, the car holds its line really well. The brakes are beautifully weighted and have immediate feel, no excess travel in the pedal. The power and torque are just intoxicating. There's no torque steer, it's predictable and generates confidence even in adverse conditions. It may be very slightly down on power and performance compared to a DBS but it is more usable most of the time.
You can feel the size and weight of the car but that's the price of luxury and comfort. It's a brilliant combination of hand built luxury and dynamic performance.
When you see how far back the engine is positioned I can't imagine a V12 could be installed without compromising the front/rear weight balance.
Finally a DB12 review from a motoring journo who’s view I respect….
https://youtu.be/A-jYWLehd6M?si=z1AveAJM8kgHzFYj
Harry liked it very much, he loves the looks, the power and especially the interior for all sorts of reasons. He’s not so impressed with the noise, the mirrors (?), and the overt aggression, thinks it a bit less of a full GT than DB11, no surprise there. A very useful review.
Said he’d already driven the new Vantage and hinted that it’s going to be impressive…
https://youtu.be/A-jYWLehd6M?si=z1AveAJM8kgHzFYj
Harry liked it very much, he loves the looks, the power and especially the interior for all sorts of reasons. He’s not so impressed with the noise, the mirrors (?), and the overt aggression, thinks it a bit less of a full GT than DB11, no surprise there. A very useful review.
Said he’d already driven the new Vantage and hinted that it’s going to be impressive…
Calinours said:
He’s not so impressed with the noise, the mirrors (?), and the overt aggression
Every sports car (and many others) has to look 'aggressive' these days. Perhaps it's the flip side of a society where everybody's supposed to be so nice to each other. What happened to 'svelte' and 'classy'?That said if I won a DB12 in a raffle I'd probably keep it
Simpo Two said:
Calinours said:
He’s not so impressed with the noise, the mirrors (?), and the overt aggression
Every sports car (and many others) has to look 'aggressive' these days. Perhaps it's the flip side of a society where everybody's supposed to be so nice to each other. What happened to 'svelte' and 'classy'? That said if I won a DB12 in a raffle I'd probably keep it 
Calinours said:
Finally a DB12 review from a motoring journo who’s view I respect….
https://youtu.be/A-jYWLehd6M?si=z1AveAJM8kgHzFYj
Harry liked it very much, he loves the looks, the power and especially the interior for all sorts of reasons. He’s not so impressed with the noise, the mirrors (?), and the overt aggression, thinks it a bit less of a full GT than DB11, no surprise there. A very useful review.
Said he’d already driven the new Vantage and hinted that it’s going to be impressive…
Harry's reviews are always worth watching. Unlike so many automotive reviewers, he covers pertinent topics i.e. on-road characteristics, and doesn't feel the need to impress (irritate) us with showboating and opposite lock nonsense that has no relevance to the real world.https://youtu.be/A-jYWLehd6M?si=z1AveAJM8kgHzFYj
Harry liked it very much, he loves the looks, the power and especially the interior for all sorts of reasons. He’s not so impressed with the noise, the mirrors (?), and the overt aggression, thinks it a bit less of a full GT than DB11, no surprise there. A very useful review.
Said he’d already driven the new Vantage and hinted that it’s going to be impressive…
In fairness, what can be done about the noise? Legislation has forced the automakers into turbocharging and use of emissions devices, and all cars pretty much sound like garbage now, as a result.
Re: the mirrors, I think the new style is lovely: minimalist and elegant.
Thanks for the vid. I was waiting for a mainstream reviewer to mention that about the wing mirrors. At least when taken with the rest of the car (or any car really) wing mirror designs tend to be overlooked. Harry knows what he is talking about - the current iterations of the standard AM range look to be truly excellent.
Calinours said:
Finally a DB12 review from a motoring journo who’s view I respect….
https://youtu.be/A-jYWLehd6M?si=z1AveAJM8kgHzFYj
Harry liked it very much, he loves the looks, the power and especially the interior for all sorts of reasons. He’s not so impressed with the noise, the mirrors (?), and the overt aggression, thinks it a bit less of a full GT than DB11, no surprise there. A very useful review.
Said he’d already driven the new Vantage and hinted that it’s going to be impressive…
Interesting. I agree about the wing mirrors, the DBS/11 design is much more elegant.https://youtu.be/A-jYWLehd6M?si=z1AveAJM8kgHzFYj
Harry liked it very much, he loves the looks, the power and especially the interior for all sorts of reasons. He’s not so impressed with the noise, the mirrors (?), and the overt aggression, thinks it a bit less of a full GT than DB11, no surprise there. A very useful review.
Said he’d already driven the new Vantage and hinted that it’s going to be impressive…
If it is a bit more rigid and a bit more brutish than DB11 I wonder how it compares to the AMR version which is both of those compared to standard db11.
The tech insights were interesting. I’ve got the merc standard safety stuff in one of my cars and tbh it’s intrusive at times, I noticed his test drive car kept ‘bonging’ when another car came the other way, that would get annoying quite quickly, especially if as he suggests these aides become fixed ‘on’ through legislation soon.
RichB said:
Simpo Two said:
Calinours said:
He’s not so impressed with the noise, the mirrors (?), and the overt aggression
Every sports car (and many others) has to look 'aggressive' these days. Perhaps it's the flip side of a society where everybody's supposed to be so nice to each other. What happened to 'svelte' and 'classy'? That said if I won a DB12 in a raffle I'd probably keep it I'll hasten to add that no Aston is ugly though.
RichB said:
I've seen and sat in a DB12 but not driven one yet. However, the overriding impression it left on me was how big it is. I hope the Vantage is scaled down somewhat. I've had enough of cars that are 7 feet wide.
Same basic structure; same cross-car beam and dash structure, so the width will be the same, give or take a few millimetres. Blame side impact regulationsGassing Station | Aston Martin | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff