The new Vantage?
Discussion
Minglar said:
That sounds very low to me too. I take great care where I drive my car as speed bumps are commonplace where I live and any damage to the CF front splitter would be very annoying not to mention rather expensive to repair too. It seems to manage most bumps I’m familiar with but I’m always wary of driving it over ones I’ve not encountered before as they don’t always appear to be of a standard size, even though I suspect there may be certain criteria involved when they make and install them. Reading this comment about the new cars ground clearance just makes me think that day to day practical use is becoming harder nowadays. Of course that may depend on your location but I think the ever increasing width doesn’t help either. I haven’t checked all the options available on new new Vantage but I’m assuming front axle lift isn’t on the list? I dread to think how much an AM version of that would cost though! BRM.
Don't think AM have ever offered lift as an option -they certainly didn't on the GT8 which with their aero options have front splitters which are probably around that 94mm if not lower.That said its not really speed humps that are the issue ( slow approach at angle ) but camber of road when say leaving a petrol station forecourt.
Given what Porsche charged for my old GT3 front lift I think Aston missed a trick here on not at least offering it !
AlexT said:
Wish I had seen this graph earlier as it explains the highly modified engine's characteristics. Peak power comes on 1000RPM later with a satisfyingly more peaky nature. The work AM have done here is impressive. Car sounds very different - more lively - than a GTR too.
I’m curious where you got that graph from and the other tech info you posted, just about to order one in the old US of AThanks
rmrmd1956 said:
AlexT said:
Wish I had seen this graph earlier as it explains the highly modified engine's characteristics. Peak power comes on 1000RPM later with a satisfyingly more peaky nature. The work AM have done here is impressive. Car sounds very different - more lively - than a GTR too.
I’m curious where you got that graph from and the other tech info you posted, just about to order one in the old US of AThanks
Seems they what we call the new new vantage is labelled as just the new vantage, and what we call the new vantage is labelled as the old vantage!!!
So if the new new is new, and new is now old, then the old must be the old old now!
Blimey, mind is blown!
AlexT said:
Wish I had seen this graph earlier as it explains the highly modified engine's characteristics. Peak power comes on 1000RPM later with a satisfyingly more peaky nature. The work AM have done here is impressive. Car sounds very different - more lively - than a GTR too.
I presume that the DB12, 2024 V8 Vantage and the 2024 DBX 707, all have the same new AML infotainment system.
Is there a display showing real time engine power and torque ?
The photo below shows the Mercedes-Benz MBUX system; Information/Engine.
Real time figures for:- Engine Power; Engine Torque; Water Temperature; Oil Temperature; Battery Voltage; Turbocharger Boost Pressure.
(Vehicle stationary, so no figures shown in this photo for engine power or torque.)
RoNNy379CH said:
In the DB12 they have digital gauges with real time engine power and torque etc. infos in the center console screen.
Same as in Ami II / III then which they ditched for the MB system a few years earlier! Great to hear though that they are finally getting back to a system as good as the old in-house system they had before.
RoNNy379CH said:
In the DB12 they have digital gauges with real time engine power and torque etc. infos in the center console screen.
Telemetrie data dash
Do they think drivers will be reading those gauges while planting their foot on the throttle to see how much torque the engines generating. I think I'd keep my eyes on the road Telemetrie data dash
RichB said:
Do they think drivers will be reading those gauges while planting their foot on the throttle to see how much torque the engines generating. I think I'd keep my eyes on the road
Yes and this is the Bottleneck. As much as they have concentrated on a new interior, the interior and the complete overload of functions are even more oppressive. In addition, the space in the middle is far too narrow because the bulky center console.
When the sun shines on the screen in the morning hours, you can't see anything on it because of the unfavorable angle of the screen.
Also it it should be driver-focused, it's not a half thing, it's not a whole thing. We find our Vantage 2020 more driver focused. No touch elements, chassis and engine adjustment on the steering wheel button and that's it.
I think the DB12 and newer Vantage look very good on the outside but there is a bit too much change on the inside. We will stick with our 2020.
Edited by RoNNy379CH on Thursday 13th June 09:26
RoNNy379CH said:
RichB said:
Do they think drivers will be reading those gauges while planting their foot on the throttle to see how much torque the engines generating. I think I'd keep my eyes on the road
Yes and this is the Bottleneck. As much as they have concentrated on a new interior, the interior and the complete overload of functions are even more oppressive. In addition, the space in the middle is far too narrow because the bulky center console.
When the sun shines on the screen in the morning hours, you can't see anything on it because of the unfavorable angle of the screen.
Also it it should be driver-focused, it's not a half thing, it's not a whole thing. We find our Vantage 2020 more driver focused. No touch elements, chassis and engine adjustment on the steering wheel button and that's it.
I think the DB12 and newer Vantage look very good on the outside but there is a bit too much change on the inside. We will stick with our 2020.
Edited by RoNNy379CH on Thursday 13th June 09:26
PinkHouse said:
RoNNy379CH said:
RichB said:
Do they think drivers will be reading those gauges while planting their foot on the throttle to see how much torque the engines generating. I think I'd keep my eyes on the road
Yes and this is the Bottleneck. As much as they have concentrated on a new interior, the interior and the complete overload of functions are even more oppressive. In addition, the space in the middle is far too narrow because the bulky center console.
When the sun shines on the screen in the morning hours, you can't see anything on it because of the unfavorable angle of the screen.
Also it it should be driver-focused, it's not a half thing, it's not a whole thing. We find our Vantage 2020 more driver focused. No touch elements, chassis and engine adjustment on the steering wheel button and that's it.
I think the DB12 and newer Vantage look very good on the outside but there is a bit too much change on the inside. We will stick with our 2020.
Edited by RoNNy379CH on Thursday 13th June 09:26
I threw in the 2023 V12 Vantage Roadster and the DBS SL
Took a DBS SL out the other day and I was mightily impressed tbh, the interior doesn’t bother me in the slightest (didn’t in my vanquish) ride was very good vs the AMG GTC its replacing and as the salesman explained, a damn sight better than the new vantage and the 23 v12 vantage
Out of the 3 Aston option the DBS SL is going to be hard to beat for me as a big reason the GT is going, is ride comfort, I can also get a 23 SL Volante for under £200k which’ll probably lose less over next 3 years to, more room for luggage on back seats is a bonus (needs it as boot is zero with roof down)
Kerniki said:
Out of the 3 Aston option the DBS SL is going to be hard to beat for me as a big reason the GT is going, is ride comfort, I can also get a 23 SL Volante for under £200k which’ll probably lose less over next 3 years to, more room for luggage on back seats is a bonus (needs it as boot is zero with roof down)
That would also be my choice, Kerniki.
Finding an as-new, one or two year old car, usually tends to be a financial winner.
It sounds as though you have found an Aston Martin that you prefer, for a much more agreeable price.
My V8V was in that category and with that car, I even found my exact specification down to the last detail.
I have just bought an E Class to be a daily driver. With Mercedes, obtaining the exact specification (even new) is impossible, but I was quite happy when I found a 4,000 mile; as-new; 2 year old, at about half the new price.
With most of the Aston Martin range now costing over £200,000 (with options), it would appear that new buyers will forfeit a huge amount of money during the first two years.
Dewi 2 said:
I presume that the DB12, 2024 V8 Vantage and the 2024 DBX 707, now all have a similar AML infotainment system.
The photo below shows the Mercedes-Benz MBUX system; Information/Engine.
Real time figures for:- Engine Power; Engine Torque; Water Temperature; Oil Temperature; Battery Voltage; Turbocharger Boost Pressure.
(Vehicle stationary, so no figures shown in this photo for engine power or torque.)
The 2024 V8 Vantage has a stated engine power of 650 BHP, a considerable increase from the previous model.
I have found it interesting to occasionally glance at the engine power display of my Mercedes.
At a steady 70 mph on a level road, the power used to propel the large car is 15 BHP!
On a motorway journey in the new Vantage, it must be rather odd to realise, that 635 BHP is not required, but is ready in reserve if one wishes to accelerate above the speed limit.
Edited by Dewi 2 on Sunday 16th June 21:30
Dewi 2 said:
Dewi 2 said:
I presume that the DB12, 2024 V8 Vantage and the 2024 DBX 707, now all have a similar AML infotainment system.
The photo below shows the Mercedes-Benz MBUX system; Information/Engine.
Real time figures for:- Engine Power; Engine Torque; Water Temperature; Oil Temperature; Battery Voltage; Turbocharger Boost Pressure.
(Vehicle stationary, so no figures shown in this photo for engine power or torque.)
The 2024 V8 Vantage has a stated engine power of 650 BHP, a considerable increase from the previous model.
I have found it interesting to occasionally glance at the engine power display of my Mercedes.
At a steady 70 mph on a level road, the power used to propel the large car is 15 BHP!
On a motorway journey in the new Vantage, it must be rather odd to realise, that 635 BHP is not required, but is ready in reserve if one wishes to accelerate above the speed limit.
Edited by Dewi 2 on Sunday 16th June 21:30
For a modern everyday Merc, with typical mass (not so important), typical Cd (becoming important at that speed) and typical tyres, a steady 70mph would likely need around 30 good old fashioned horses.
Edited by Calinours on Sunday 16th June 21:57
Calinours said:
Likely sloppy code writing, inaccurate calibration or low res sensors (or more likely a combination of all three)
For a modern everyday Merc, with typical mass (not so important), typical Cd (becoming important at that speed) and typical tyres, a steady 70mph would likely need around 30 good old fashioned horses.
For a modern everyday Merc, with typical mass (not so important), typical Cd (becoming important at that speed) and typical tyres, a steady 70mph would likely need around 30 good old fashioned horses.
Thank you, but my implied question was, who can ever use the full 650 BHP engine power on public roads?
Pub talk again.
If the reply might be "when accelerating", remember that the engine first needs time to build high revs, before full power is produced.
By then, prison speeds have probably been achieved.
Dewi 2 said:
Calinours said:
Likely sloppy code writing, inaccurate calibration or low res sensors (or more likely a combination of all three)
For a modern everyday Merc, with typical mass (not so important), typical Cd (becoming important at that speed) and typical tyres, a steady 70mph would likely need around 30 good old fashioned horses.
For a modern everyday Merc, with typical mass (not so important), typical Cd (becoming important at that speed) and typical tyres, a steady 70mph would likely need around 30 good old fashioned horses.
Thank you, but my implied question was, who can ever use the full 650 BHP engine power on public roads?
Pub talk again.
If the reply might be "when accelerating", remember that the engine first needs time to build high revs, before full power is produced.
By then, prison speeds have probably been achieved.
You don’t have to thrash the turbo Astons to make rapid progress, and I guess this new one moves things on even more. You are right in that maybe the peak 400hp you have is enough, but you have to rev the nuts off your car to access all of it, which isnt right on public roads. Who wants to drive an Aston ‘spiritedly’ but look like a boy racer revving the nuts off their chavved up 1.0ltr thing.
I’ve a 400-odd peak hp n/a car and a 600-odd hp turbocharged car. Much as I love it, and the theatre of it, it’s a fact that the n/a (old, or old old?) Vantage has to be thrashed to extract something near the maximum performance, the turbo cars just don’t. It helps that my slightly blown car is also a V12 of course…
It’s so often very nice to have all that torque available at the engine speeds used every day on routine drives like getting to work - its what makes every drive special. A real 300-400hp developed at just 3-4000rpm. I have relied on the nanny systems so often on damp mornings.
That’s the appeal, top end numbers are of course becoming irrelevant, it’s really about how much can be deployed as frequently and safely as possible.
The updated or ‘new new’ Vantage is looking like a real winner in that respect.
Edited by Calinours on Monday 17th June 09:50
Drove one today whilst my 2019 version was being serviced. The way it gets the power down is a huge improvement over my car; how much is down to PS5s on 21” vs P-Zero on 20” I’m not sure. The on-paper figures give you no clue on how much faster the new car feels, and it does it with no drama whatsoever; the gear changes are now practically seamless, rather than having the deliberate pause between ratios. Styling is subjective; I prefer my car, most people seem not to. I wasn’t so blown away by the interior as everyone else seems to be, either. Although I only had 45-50 minutes in the car, I think the interface is very complex, and I don’t like the fact that the suspension, exhaust and throttle map settings are now all fixed programmes unless you go into Individual mode and set the car up manually. Steering wheel is very busy, and the rim is too thick. Shift paddles on the wheel instead of fixed is a change that no-one needed. Another annoyance is the fact that if you’ve gone into manual shifting mode, to go back into auto you can’t just pull on the up paddle - you have to press a button on the centre console for one second; takes you eye off the road and nothing like as intuitive. Car sounds very different, which was a surprise given the essentially similar engine. The over-riding impression left was of the driving experience however, and that’s a big step on from the current car. 
sticks090460 said:
Drove one today whilst my 2019 version was being serviced. The way it gets the power down is a huge improvement over my car; how much is down to PS5s on 21” vs P-Zero on 20” I’m not sure. The on-paper figures give you no clue on how much faster the new car feels, and it does it with no drama whatsoever; the gear changes are now practically seamless, rather than having the deliberate pause between ratios. Styling is subjective; I prefer my car, most people seem not to. I wasn’t so blown away by the interior as everyone else seems to be, either. Although I only had 45-50 minutes in the car, I think the interface is very complex, and I don’t like the fact that the suspension, exhaust and throttle map settings are now all fixed programmes unless you go into Individual mode and set the car up manually. Steering wheel is very busy, and the rim is too thick. Shift paddles on the wheel instead of fixed is a change that no-one needed. Another annoyance is the fact that if you’ve gone into manual shifting mode, to go back into auto you can’t just pull on the up paddle - you have to press a button on the centre console for one second; takes you eye off the road and nothing like as intuitive. Car sounds very different, which was a surprise given the essentially similar engine. The over-riding impression left was of the driving experience however, and that’s a big step on from the current car.
Thanks.Grip will be the e-diff from the took from the AMG GTR/C i’d imagine, they have no problem deploying 700hp either.
Most importantly for me, what was the ride like in its softest setting? vs your car?
Europe are lagging well behind on demos so not had a ride yet, and ride comfort is my no.1 concern with this car and a uk road test is probably the more testing
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