I THINK ITS GONNA HAVE TO GO.
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I have just driven 10 miles from my mums house in the pissing rain with no windsreen wipers,i have said it once and i will say it again these cars are F*****G shite and i think i will probably back the pile of shit,now i know you are all gonna say "well thats part of the TVR experince"i say cobblers, its just crap build quality,i would advise anyone thinking of buying one not to,go get an M3 it may not be as fast but at least you can drive it in the rain and you dont get petrol on your shoes every time you fill it up,actually the next time petrol spits back out i might just set the plastic pile of shit alight and let it burn.......
Deepdive
I totally sympathise with you. The build quality of TVR's is appalling, I've had the wiper failure as well. Fortunately I use rain-x so was able to get home. The worst thing about mine it was the day after I got it back from an engine rebuild
This "part of TVR ownership" thing does my head in too. I admire brand loyalty, but if people keep accepting things as they are, nothing will change as TVR have no incentive to improve things.
Frostie
>> Edited by frostie on Saturday 26th July 21:27
I totally sympathise with you. The build quality of TVR's is appalling, I've had the wiper failure as well. Fortunately I use rain-x so was able to get home. The worst thing about mine it was the day after I got it back from an engine rebuild
This "part of TVR ownership" thing does my head in too. I admire brand loyalty, but if people keep accepting things as they are, nothing will change as TVR have no incentive to improve things.
Frostie
>> Edited by frostie on Saturday 26th July 21:27
Hi Andy, I had'nt heard from you lately so i thought that the "pile of TVR pooh"(your words)was getting better, but i'm begining to think the same way as you!! I also get very very cross when i tell people that something else has gone wrong,and they come back with the same old word's
"you have to expect that with TVR's"......well are you listening out there
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NO I FU
ING DON'T OK OK OK OK!!!!!!!!!!! You remember that your side windows were falling out,
well so are mine now!!!!(the secret there is ..not to leave the thing in the sun!!!!!!!!!!!!!) my drivers side window fails to go right up sometimes .
The passenger door has dropped and so has the Bonnet, causing it scratch the body . The door striker plate on the same side has (or did have)three tiny screws...well i discovered that two of them had fell out,leaving the plate only just hanging on.
It would'nt start today, but it went eventually
Last weekend it was missing slightly at high speed, If anyone asks me if they should buy one of these , you know what i would say??
I think you already know. well we are off to a show in it tomorrow, so i will keep my fingers crossed Andy.
Dave
This makes me afraid.......very afraid! I've just put down a deposit for a new T350. My Chimaera (from new) was superb. 2.5 years and only a blown bulb. A wing mirror was pulled off but that was some oik in a multistorey carpark. Never missed a beat. The stories of poor build quality make me nervous. A factory visit is on the cards so I'll be able to see what they get up to......
I think the only way TVR will sustain any reasonable sales (enough for their survival) is to introduce a 5 year, 50000 mile warranty.
I've been thinking that a Tuscan might be my next car (need to see a Tesco Tea in the flesh before making my mind up if this is a contender) but I've made the mistake of reading too many horror reports of engine failures, crappy customer service and warranties which don't do it, fully/completely (for Tragically Hip fans everywhere!)
Ok these reports are from just a small minority among all Tuscan/Tesco owners (well they are, aren't they?), so perhaps I shouldn't by swayed. But I just can't face the hassle. Great cars or no, life is already complicated enough. I'm prepared to accept that in small volume, hand built production there may be a greater level of faults than in a model where the volumes are much higher. But what I find most puzzling is the apparent adversity that has developed between TVR as the manufacturer and its cutomers. Surely the number of customers is small enough for this to be an easy problem to resolve?
I think it has to be solved by (i) a much more substantial warranty, and (ii) establishing a consignment inventory of known-problem parts at the dealer network and empowering them all (not just one or two as at present) to undertake warranty work. If tdealers can't demonstrate their competence to do this then find dealers that can. This nonsense about having to ship cars/engines back to Blackpool is just that, nonsense. Eight week turn-around (as reported in recent threads) to replace a cylinder head and followers is too ridiculous for words.
I've been thinking that a Tuscan might be my next car (need to see a Tesco Tea in the flesh before making my mind up if this is a contender) but I've made the mistake of reading too many horror reports of engine failures, crappy customer service and warranties which don't do it, fully/completely (for Tragically Hip fans everywhere!)
Ok these reports are from just a small minority among all Tuscan/Tesco owners (well they are, aren't they?), so perhaps I shouldn't by swayed. But I just can't face the hassle. Great cars or no, life is already complicated enough. I'm prepared to accept that in small volume, hand built production there may be a greater level of faults than in a model where the volumes are much higher. But what I find most puzzling is the apparent adversity that has developed between TVR as the manufacturer and its cutomers. Surely the number of customers is small enough for this to be an easy problem to resolve?
I think it has to be solved by (i) a much more substantial warranty, and (ii) establishing a consignment inventory of known-problem parts at the dealer network and empowering them all (not just one or two as at present) to undertake warranty work. If tdealers can't demonstrate their competence to do this then find dealers that can. This nonsense about having to ship cars/engines back to Blackpool is just that, nonsense. Eight week turn-around (as reported in recent threads) to replace a cylinder head and followers is too ridiculous for words.
I had wiper failure twice in an Audi A8 within 5000 miles of each other. Not a good thing, once was sudden when passing a lorry on a dual carraigeway in the pouring rain. I don't mond failures on cars but not when they try to kill/injure me!!!
I sold the car very shortly after that.
Just remember every manufacturer has horror stories and unfortunately TVRs can try ones patience more than others, I should know I've had a few.
PLease if its now not the car for you just sell it, lets not have another TVR Build Quality thread
, we all know it is what it is and not a lot is going to change it.
davidy
I sold the car very shortly after that.
Just remember every manufacturer has horror stories and unfortunately TVRs can try ones patience more than others, I should know I've had a few.
PLease if its now not the car for you just sell it, lets not have another TVR Build Quality thread
, we all know it is what it is and not a lot is going to change it. davidy
I never seem to recall any of these major quality control, i.e doors dropping, fuel spilling, engines blowing up etc, on the Griffith's and Chimaera's when they were launched.
Are TVR beginning to go beyond their capabilities now in a bid to persue the likes of Porsche?
Their reputation for being unreliable is getting worse.
I tend to stay out of the Tamora/T350C and Tuscan forums as they are so expensively depressing.
Lee.
Are TVR beginning to go beyond their capabilities now in a bid to persue the likes of Porsche?
Their reputation for being unreliable is getting worse.
I tend to stay out of the Tamora/T350C and Tuscan forums as they are so expensively depressing.
Lee.
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lee , i have to agree. i would love to get a t350 or tamora one day, but i will not touch a tvr engined car, if you paid me. i am sure there are mroe happy owners out there, but there are way to many s6 engine probs and rebuild after rebuild. this engine issue will be tvr's downfall. they should have stuck with a engine from say chevy etc. f1 chose bmw, zonda chose merc. makes much more sense. even porsche used vw engines at begining.
they need to do something urgently as the company is going downhill
This is my point exactly,people like you DAVIDY are some of the cause of TVR,s problems you just put your head in the sand and dont want to talk about the way TVR is taking the piss out of its customers,if no one bought them they would have to do somthing about it,when you say your wipers stopped working on an audi,so what all cars have things go wrong,but no were near on the scale of TVR,im not having a go DAVIDY but deep down you all know what im saying is right,or you would see loads of TVR,s on the road.
PS Ive worked it out DAVE you can only drive them when its a non sunny,non raining day when you are within 5 miles of a TVR showroom!!!!!
>> Edited by deepdive on Sunday 27th July 13:03
PS Ive worked it out DAVE you can only drive them when its a non sunny,non raining day when you are within 5 miles of a TVR showroom!!!!!
>> Edited by deepdive on Sunday 27th July 13:03
deepdive said:
I have just driven 10 miles from my mums house in the pissing rain with no windsreen wipers,i have said it once and i will say it again these cars are F*****G shite and i think i will probably back the pile of shit,now i know you are all gonna say "well thats part of the TVR experince"i say cobblers, its just crap build quality,i would advise anyone thinking of buying one not to,go get an M3 it may not be as fast but at least you can drive it in the rain and you dont get petrol on your shoes every time you fill it up,actually the next time petrol spits back out i might just set the plastic pile of shit alight and let it burn.......
Hey deepdive your profile says your a scrap dealer..so am i, who for?
>> Edited by v8tvr on Sunday 27th July 13:08
Without getting too involved I don't think TVRs build quality is too bad for a hand built car. I grant you their are plenty of areas where improvements could be made though.
As a point to note the wipers in the TVR are a standard off the shelf Bosch unit so should perform similarily as other cars.
I've not hand any real problems with mine and I've now passed 8000 miles including round Europe. My brother had an Audi which I would say has good build he still had a gearbox go, 2 Ecus brake problems etc.
As a point to note the wipers in the TVR are a standard off the shelf Bosch unit so should perform similarily as other cars.
I've not hand any real problems with mine and I've now passed 8000 miles including round Europe. My brother had an Audi which I would say has good build he still had a gearbox go, 2 Ecus brake problems etc.
I work for myself,but im thinking of starting my own sports car company,first i will employ blind people from an eastern block country then buy old shit parts from anywere i can get them cheap,then get all my staff pissed and let them put them together,oh wait someone beat me to it!!!!!!!!!!
>> Edited by deepdive on Sunday 27th July 17:43
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>> Edited by deepdive on Sunday 27th July 17:43
>> Edited by deepdive on Sunday 27th July 17:44
I can't hear the negative comments anymore.
Stop complaining and buy a volvo instead.
TVR is producing stunning and unique cars with an absolute fantastic and carismatic engine.
Have you lot ever been at the factory and spoke to the guys who working their hearts of to build the cars.
It's a shame that you blame them for what they are doing.
Actually I would say TVR is in the same situation as Ferrari in the early 90ties, producing awesome cars, but have to be refined a little bit more.
Could you imagine buying a Ferrari and complaining about the build quality.
NOT! NEVER!
You buy a Ferrari and expect some things to get wrong.
I think we have to be proud of driving and owning a car, which is build from a small company, producing most of the parts alone, showing a very good effort in doing motorsport, went to LM to play with the big boys and so on.
If you are complaining about stuff like wiper failures or dropped doors, you have no understanding about owning such a special car with an incredible performance which eats Porsches and Ferraris for breakfast and cost only the half or the third of them.
Christof*on his seventh TVR now, without having had any problems*
Stop complaining and buy a volvo instead.
TVR is producing stunning and unique cars with an absolute fantastic and carismatic engine.
Have you lot ever been at the factory and spoke to the guys who working their hearts of to build the cars.
It's a shame that you blame them for what they are doing.
Actually I would say TVR is in the same situation as Ferrari in the early 90ties, producing awesome cars, but have to be refined a little bit more.
Could you imagine buying a Ferrari and complaining about the build quality.
NOT! NEVER!
You buy a Ferrari and expect some things to get wrong.
I think we have to be proud of driving and owning a car, which is build from a small company, producing most of the parts alone, showing a very good effort in doing motorsport, went to LM to play with the big boys and so on.
If you are complaining about stuff like wiper failures or dropped doors, you have no understanding about owning such a special car with an incredible performance which eats Porsches and Ferraris for breakfast and cost only the half or the third of them.
Christof*on his seventh TVR now, without having had any problems*
christof said:
I can't hear the negative comments anymore.
Stop complaining and buy a volvo instead.
TVR is producing stunning and unique cars with an absolute fantastic and carismatic engine.
Have you lot ever been at the factory and spoke to the guys who working their hearts of to build the cars.
It's a shame that you blame them for what they are doing.
Actually I would say TVR is in the same situation as Ferrari in the early 90ties, producing awesome cars, but have to be refined a little bit more.
Could you imagine buying a Ferrari and complaining about the build quality.
NOT! NEVER!
You buy a Ferrari and expect some things to get wrong.
I think we have to be proud of driving and owning a car, which is build from a small company, producing most of the parts alone, showing a very good effort in doing motorsport, went to LM to play with the big boys and so on.
If you are complaining about stuff like wiper failures or dropped doors, you have no understanding about owning such a special car with an incredible performance which eats Porsches and Ferraris for breakfast and cost only the half or the third of them.
Christof*on his seventh TVR now, without having had any problems*
Reality at last
Ive a few problems with mt t350 so Blackpool retro-fitted boot cover,kick-plates,front speakers,new air-con free of charge and gave me a chim to drive around in.
However,I agree with some of what deep-dive has said and regardless of how many times this has been discussed before we should always be demanding a certain level of quality and customer care for our money,if we dont ask for that TVR will never be able to put it right,but it's how we go about it!!
My tuscan blew up after 6weeks(damn taliban)and I was without my car for four months,I sent a letter to Ben Samuelson via my solicitor and didnt get a reply.
I swore I wouldnt go back to TVR so I test drove loads of cars,but nothing made me feel as good or drove as well as a TVR within that price bracket.
IMHO it's all about building a good relationship with your local dealer and Blackpool,I know it shouldnt have to be that way but what else can we do given the relative size of TVR.
>> Edited by tin man on Sunday 27th July 18:22
>> Edited by tin man on Sunday 27th July 20:33
However,I agree with some of what deep-dive has said and regardless of how many times this has been discussed before we should always be demanding a certain level of quality and customer care for our money,if we dont ask for that TVR will never be able to put it right,but it's how we go about it!!
My tuscan blew up after 6weeks(damn taliban)and I was without my car for four months,I sent a letter to Ben Samuelson via my solicitor and didnt get a reply.
I swore I wouldnt go back to TVR so I test drove loads of cars,but nothing made me feel as good or drove as well as a TVR within that price bracket.
IMHO it's all about building a good relationship with your local dealer and Blackpool,I know it shouldnt have to be that way but what else can we do given the relative size of TVR.
>> Edited by tin man on Sunday 27th July 18:22
>> Edited by tin man on Sunday 27th July 20:33
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