Rollover Protection
Discussion
Just a quick question...
Remember reading an interview with PW where he said he designed the Tuscan as a coupe with a removable roof panel because it allowed them to build in rollover protection front and rear.
Obviously the Tamora is a full convertible, therefore do they now strengthen the windscreen surround (unlike the Griff and Chim)?
I presume this strengthening would add taughtness (and weight) to the chassis? Are they any heavier than a Griff?
Graham
PS. I've seen a rolled Griff (think the pictures were on this website a year or so back). It wasn't pretty!
>>> Edited by Graham B on Tuesday 18th December 16:58
Remember reading an interview with PW where he said he designed the Tuscan as a coupe with a removable roof panel because it allowed them to build in rollover protection front and rear.
Obviously the Tamora is a full convertible, therefore do they now strengthen the windscreen surround (unlike the Griff and Chim)?
I presume this strengthening would add taughtness (and weight) to the chassis? Are they any heavier than a Griff?
Graham
PS. I've seen a rolled Griff (think the pictures were on this website a year or so back). It wasn't pretty!
>>> Edited by Graham B on Tuesday 18th December 16:58
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Check out the photos on the TMS website. One shows the large steel roll-protection bar built into the windscreen surround.
yeah, they do have a huge roll-over bar built into the screen. there is also extra bars in the front of the chassis and impact bars in the doors. I'm not slagging the Griff here, but TVR have made the Tamora,and the Tuscan a lot safer than the old cars. That's progress.
Edited by flasher on Tuesday 18th December 18:31
No they haven't.
None on the Griff or Chimeara.As far as the factory told me, the first car to have proper side impact bars was the Cerbera followed by the Tuscan. And I rebuilt a Tasmin four years ago and there weren't any on the one I re-built.
Who told you that???
Edited by flasher on Wednesday 19th December 00:02
Edited by flasher on Wednesday 19th December 00:06
None on the Griff or Chimeara.As far as the factory told me, the first car to have proper side impact bars was the Cerbera followed by the Tuscan. And I rebuilt a Tasmin four years ago and there weren't any on the one I re-built. Who told you that???
Edited by flasher on Wednesday 19th December 00:02
Edited by flasher on Wednesday 19th December 00:06
Yeah Graham, you're right. Side impact bars were mandatory in USA but not here. As Griffs and Chims weren't sold there they didn't have them. There have been a few nasty sideways bangs in them here with fatal results. I think that must have influenced them with the Tuscan. The Cerb had a full roll cage anyway. Looking back, when I re-hung the Tasmin doors they were bloody heavy!!!
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Rember a few years ago a story in the national papers about a guy in his Griff 500 - spun it on a country road and a car coming the other way hit it side on killing the Griff passenger - from the picture they ran it would seem the door offered little protection for the deceased.
That's true. In every other aspect the Griff is safer than most cars, but if you roll it or have someone hit you side on you're in big trouble.
Has anyone seen the side impact protection on a Tuscan.? It might protect you if a cat ran into the side of you. But hit a tree or another car and it could be a different story.
Saying that I had a 'spin' in my 1st Griff managing to take out a road sign, a couple of fences and a small tree,
the GRP looked a right mess but protected me very well.
Saying that I had a 'spin' in my 1st Griff managing to take out a road sign, a couple of fences and a small tree,
the GRP looked a right mess but protected me very well. The Tuscan side protection is similiar to the Cerbera, with the door posts being attached to the roll hoop - it looks very strong. See picture of crashed Cerbera :
here.www.pistonheads.com/features/safety.htm
here.www.pistonheads.com/features/safety.htm
Or very unlucky, depending on how you look at it.
TVR's new models have to pass safety requirements, just as any other manufacturers do, as of October 1998 these include front and side-impact tests. Prior to this front impact at 30mph was the only test that had to be passed with the only criteria being steering wheel displacement. Any car of the Griffith's construction should sail through a frontal test, the lack of side impact protection's pretty scary though as this is a classic "it's not you it's all them other silly buggers" (in my grandmother's words) point of impact (dozy Volvo drivers pulling out without looking etc.)
Australia and the US both have much more rigorous testing than the UK. This is one of the reasons why TVRs cannot be sold in either country. Particularly in the US there is little possibility of the current Tivs passing the tests owing to the hard points (knobs etc.) in the cockpit and the lack of active safety features.
Incidently one of the (many) "impromptue" crash tests that the Tuscan has undergone was at the hands of the Cockney one off Drivel. On an airstrip. In the dry.
Sadly there hasn't been a EuroNcap test of sportscars yet.
TVR's new models have to pass safety requirements, just as any other manufacturers do, as of October 1998 these include front and side-impact tests. Prior to this front impact at 30mph was the only test that had to be passed with the only criteria being steering wheel displacement. Any car of the Griffith's construction should sail through a frontal test, the lack of side impact protection's pretty scary though as this is a classic "it's not you it's all them other silly buggers" (in my grandmother's words) point of impact (dozy Volvo drivers pulling out without looking etc.)
Australia and the US both have much more rigorous testing than the UK. This is one of the reasons why TVRs cannot be sold in either country. Particularly in the US there is little possibility of the current Tivs passing the tests owing to the hard points (knobs etc.) in the cockpit and the lack of active safety features.
Incidently one of the (many) "impromptue" crash tests that the Tuscan has undergone was at the hands of the Cockney one off Drivel. On an airstrip. In the dry.
Sadly there hasn't been a EuroNcap test of sportscars yet.
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What, you stuck in a time warp JD or just got the old tunnel vision syndrome?
A phenomenon utterly unknown on this site
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I bet you wouldn't turn your nose up at a S60 T5 - you might even realise why most people rate as good a Germany's best
Absolutely not, it's the drivers I have a problem with really rather than the cars. (still a little sore about losing hundreds of hours of work to some twonk in a T5. One Locost v. squashed. One friend v. lucky escape)
On a more serious note-does anyone know if the more recent Chims have got side impact protection? I wonder if it could be fitted retrospectively-a number of classic cars have impact bars available for the doors.
Edited by jaydee on Thursday 20th December 11:26
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