Sagaris low down
Discussion
After a visit to Gatwick TVR today I now know a bit more about the production spec.
Bonnet vents are fixed. Idea of thermostatically controlled has gone out the window. Customer cars bonnets are hinged but dealer cars can't do this yet.
The red cam cover of N.S's (black) car has not appeared on the others. That might indicate N.S. has had further engine work over the standard 4.0 S..... well I know I would...
Early reports of handling are of course very good but no mention of overly hard ride or exceptional lowness. Certainly it doesn't look lower than an t350 in the flesh. By all accounts they've ditched the 'race car for the road' set up and just gone all out to make a more practical road car. Sensible I suppose but it won't be quite the trackday weapon some were hoping but maybe that car is yet to come. The original concept was '30% stiffer springs' and 'as low as tvr 'dared'. Also gone is the 'vinylester' bodywork which was rumoured to save 50+kg. More of a shame in my view.
So include the blocked vents and the final thing is much more of a road car than was originally planned. Probably better overall for most of the time. If it is great on the track then so be it but I think the car has been toned down a bit. What hasn't been toned down is the appearance. This car is totally outrageous and looks every inch a gt car with number plates. It looks to be worth a lot more than the asking price and is massively attention seeking - wait 'til you see one on the road and you'll see what I mean. Long wing mirror stalks only add to the gt car look.
Not for shrinking violets! Luckily there's the t350 for the more understated look!
Bonnet vents are fixed. Idea of thermostatically controlled has gone out the window. Customer cars bonnets are hinged but dealer cars can't do this yet.
The red cam cover of N.S's (black) car has not appeared on the others. That might indicate N.S. has had further engine work over the standard 4.0 S..... well I know I would...
Early reports of handling are of course very good but no mention of overly hard ride or exceptional lowness. Certainly it doesn't look lower than an t350 in the flesh. By all accounts they've ditched the 'race car for the road' set up and just gone all out to make a more practical road car. Sensible I suppose but it won't be quite the trackday weapon some were hoping but maybe that car is yet to come. The original concept was '30% stiffer springs' and 'as low as tvr 'dared'. Also gone is the 'vinylester' bodywork which was rumoured to save 50+kg. More of a shame in my view.
So include the blocked vents and the final thing is much more of a road car than was originally planned. Probably better overall for most of the time. If it is great on the track then so be it but I think the car has been toned down a bit. What hasn't been toned down is the appearance. This car is totally outrageous and looks every inch a gt car with number plates. It looks to be worth a lot more than the asking price and is massively attention seeking - wait 'til you see one on the road and you'll see what I mean. Long wing mirror stalks only add to the gt car look.
Not for shrinking violets! Luckily there's the t350 for the more understated look!
I got a ride in one today. The ride is firm, but not race car firm. It was an odd sensation from the passenger seat - it all felt lightweight and smooth, probably just the sounds and the way it eased around corners etc.
The seats don't suffer from being at an angle as in the T350 and the driver's seat felt more spacious both width ways and for headroom.
Looking forward to driving one!
The seats don't suffer from being at an angle as in the T350 and the driver's seat felt more spacious both width ways and for headroom.
Looking forward to driving one!
Nice one ted.
I forgot to mention the way it sounds - quite different to the other S6 tvrs. It must be down to the side exit pipes but it sounded really, really good to me. Smooth and powerful. Slightly more aggressive than the t350 I'm running at the moment. Tunnels will be amazing!
I forgot to mention the way it sounds - quite different to the other S6 tvrs. It must be down to the side exit pipes but it sounded really, really good to me. Smooth and powerful. Slightly more aggressive than the t350 I'm running at the moment. Tunnels will be amazing!
PetrolTed said:
I got a ride in one today. The ride is firm, but not race car firm. It was an odd sensation from the passenger seat - it all felt lightweight and smooth, probably just the sounds and the way it eased around corners etc.
The seats don't suffer from being at an angle as in the T350 and the driver's seat felt more spacious both width ways and for headroom.
Looking forward to driving one!
Luckily you can level the seats in the T350 - I did. TVR put a bunch of spacers inbetween the seat and floor. Much comfier now.
The Sagaris does look better the more I see it, still not sure about the 'Halfords effect'.
Saw the car today and had a good look over.. this car is shockingly awesome and looks good from all angles and from the front is the meanest looking thing i've ever seen! makes all the other TVRs look bland which is saying something... will definately prove the critics wrong and according to the test pilot the drive is incredible and was surprised just how refined the engine was....
I agree,
though I hate to admit it's probably a better road car as a result of the changes and it still looks mean as hell.
As mentioned the lightweight bodywork lotus used on their sport 300 Esprit and parts of the sport 350 had to be hand laid and was noticeably less well finished than the standard cars. ie less smooth and more ripply. I don't know if that was 'vinylester'. come to think of it I've never heard 'vinylestser' before either!
Does anyone know what the sagaris weighs now?
though I hate to admit it's probably a better road car as a result of the changes and it still looks mean as hell.
As mentioned the lightweight bodywork lotus used on their sport 300 Esprit and parts of the sport 350 had to be hand laid and was noticeably less well finished than the standard cars. ie less smooth and more ripply. I don't know if that was 'vinylester'. come to think of it I've never heard 'vinylestser' before either!
Does anyone know what the sagaris weighs now?
I'm sure it is a better road car but it was conceived to be a roadable more track focused car.
I hear that quality was the death of vinylester as suggested.
1187Kg is a bit lardy! I was told 1000kg was the target weight when I put down the deposit. It seems the final car is only 25Kg lighter than my Cerb!!!
I hear that quality was the death of vinylester as suggested.
1187Kg is a bit lardy! I was told 1000kg was the target weight when I put down the deposit. It seems the final car is only 25Kg lighter than my Cerb!!!
With a full roll cage like the T350 which weighs around 1150kg too, where was the weight going to be lost anyway? I'm not sure how much the GRP body weighs, but lets say it's 300kg. You'd have to halve the weight to make the car 1000kg. How about Carbonfibre?
Maybe some special wheels and lighter suspension components?
Maybe some special wheels and lighter suspension components?
targarama said:
With a full roll cage like the T350 which weighs around 1150kg too, where was the weight going to be lost anyway? I'm not sure how much the GRP body weighs, but lets say it's 300kg. You'd have to halve the weight to make the car 1000kg. How about Carbonfibre?
Maybe some special wheels and lighter suspension components?
Hmmm, maybe they could consider cutting bits of the body away (or maybe not
). I think the bodywork material was supposed to save about 50 KG so it was never going to be radically lighter than the t350.
The original interior was also lighter, though I don't imagine it'd have saved more than a couple of kilos.
For the track you'd imagine there's a decent amount of weight to be lost by changing the seats though...
>> Edited by _DeeJay_ on Tuesday 8th March 14:00
madbadger said:
The body panels (non BIW or closure bits) on a typical steel bodied car weigh about 200kg.
I'd be surprised if the fibreglass shell was anywhere near 300kg.
So it's even more likely that a T350 without any body, carbonfibre or bananaskin would still weigh over 1000kg then ...
_DeeJay_ said:
With a full roll cage like the T350 which weighs around 1150kg too, where was the weight going to be lost anyway? I'm not sure how much the GRP body weighs, but lets say it's 300kg. You'd have to halve the weight to make the car 1000kg. How about Carbonfibre?
Maybe some special wheels and lighter suspension components?
Hmmm, maybe they could consider cutting bits of the body away (or maybe not
I think the bodywork material was supposed to save about 50 KG so it was never going to be radically lighter than the t350.
The original interior was also lighter, though I don't imagine it'd have saved more than a couple of kilos.
For the track you'd imagine there's a decent amount of weight to be lost by changing the seats though...
>> Edited by _DeeJay_ on Tuesday 8th March 14:00
Oh hell yes. I think you are reading my mind!
Im slowly comming to the conclusion that I need a Sagaris...it is just going to have to be North Drive Spec
So, lwt seats, some Uber-lwt split rims I just happen to know fit and that the factory has
) and some of the sound proofing ripped out. good idea.
Has anyone looked into having the vents cut out or any dealers mentioning they might be able to do it? I'm sure it would cost a fair bit but it really would finish the car off nicely.
I've been told that a lot of plumbing goes through the bodywork which would make the whole thing more expensive and complicated. Is this true?
Has anyone looked into having the vents cut out or any dealers mentioning they might be able to do it? I'm sure it would cost a fair bit but it really would finish the car off nicely.
I've been told that a lot of plumbing goes through the bodywork which would make the whole thing more expensive and complicated. Is this true?
the pits said:
good idea.
Has anyone looked into having the vents cut out or any dealers mentioning they might be able to do it? I'm sure it would cost a fair bit but it really would finish the car off nicely.
I've been told that a lot of plumbing goes through the bodywork which would make the whole thing more expensive and complicated. Is this true?
Just a thought - would cutting out the vents weaken the fibreglass at all?
blackmonday said:
good idea.
Has anyone looked into having the vents cut out or any dealers mentioning they might be able to do it? I'm sure it would cost a fair bit but it really would finish the car off nicely.
I've been told that a lot of plumbing goes through the bodywork which would make the whole thing more expensive and complicated. Is this true?
Just a thought - would cutting out the vents weaken the fibreglass at all?
I doubt it. They're using the same moulds for the race cars, and they are having the vents cut out retrospectively...
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