ABS!!

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grigio alloy

Original Poster:

122 posts

268 months

Friday 28th June 2002
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As a shandy drinking southern girls blouse, (working in Germany), I would be very keen to find out what would be involved in fitting ABS to the Tamora. I know this has been done on a TVR Taimar? here in Germany.
Is it merely a bolt on goodie which would then require setting up for the weight and balance of the Tamora?
The brakes are good in the dry- but even with my sedate driving I have had the rears locking up with a bit of unpleasant tail out drama. In wet/poor road surface situations ABS would of course be a godsend.
By the way the brakes on my Tamora are set up correctly
Peter V8S and you other technical wizards tell me this is a possible mod!

nubbin

6,809 posts

284 months

Friday 28th June 2002
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I've heard about the brakes being too rear-biased - mine are spot on, and served me well the other day when I did some very (!) hard braking when a car pulled out in front of me on the m'way, at, ahem, quite high speed. I have seen the article about the Taimar with ABS, and I reckon it can't be that difficult to develop bespoke ABS. Why don't you make some enquiries as to cost, grigio - there'll be a few people interested. The article was in Sprint a few months ago, with a phone number, but I haven't got that issue to hand. I have to say though, that in the dry, it's not easy to lock up the Tamora - goodness knows, I've tried!!

bosshog

1,635 posts

282 months

Friday 28th June 2002
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I don't understand why TVR and lotus et all don't supply their cars with ABS with an off/on switch. Surely it can't be that hard to buy off the shelve bosch equipment and tailor it for the cars. I mean lotus did it very quickly for the VX220..

lrussell5

567 posts

269 months

Monday 1st July 2002
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I'd take it. PW has got his head up his @rse if he thinks his cars wouldnt be better/safer for it. WAKE UP TVR

grigio alloy

Original Poster:

122 posts

268 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2002
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I have spoken to the German company who have fitted ABS to the Cosworth Taimar. Joachim was of course not au fait with the Tamora but said it should be possible to fit ABS. I am going to arrange a `no strings attached´ appointment with him so he can check the Tamora out.
His initial guesstimate with all electronic control units, installation and set up etc was 3000 quid!! Gulp! THat is most probably too expensive for me even if ABS is sorely need on the Tamora.
Are there any other companies in the UK who could undertake such a project?
Will TVR ever enter the 21st century and offer ABS as an option?

kevinday

12,041 posts

286 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2002
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IWill TVR ever enter the 21st century and offer ABS as an option?



Yes, when it becomes mandatory on all new cars.

nubbin

6,809 posts

284 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2002
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£3000 - it might be a lot of money, but if 10 people said they wanted it, I bet the price would come down - he's talking a bespoke, one-off price - for sure, you'd get it back in re-sale value. To be honest, I'd rather pay £2-3000 for that, than £2K on aircon, or £2K on reflex paint. I'll be very interested to hear what the outcome of your meeting is....

GreenV8S

30,418 posts

290 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2002
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That is most probably too expensive for me even if ABS is sorely need on the Tamora.



On the other hand, how much would it cost you *not* to have ABS?

flasher

9,238 posts

290 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2002
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I just don't understand this... IMO it doesn't need ABS at all. Just drive it properly and treat it with respect and you will never need ABS. You'll be demanding an Euro-NCAP rating next and bloody airbags best you buy a nice big safe Volvo next...

kevinday

12,041 posts

286 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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Flasher, if you ever drive the car in the wet (which I am sure you do) then there will be one occasion sometime when you 'will' need ABS, probably because some numpty has pulled out in front of you or something like that. I have invoked the use of ABS twice in my motoring career and wished I had it on one other occasion (resulting in a dent in my Range Rover and a written off Clio).

lrussell5

567 posts

269 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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I'm with you on this one nubbin. We can be the best drivers in the world but it's always the other idiot that hurts you, as any decent biker will tell you....
So ANYTHING that helps avoid the accident is worth it

flasher

9,238 posts

290 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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I know what ABS does and it saved me in my old E-Class once, but the brakes in the Tamora are so good I don't feel less confident in it because it hasn't got ABS.... and that is the honest truth. I just think it would be something else to go wrong......

lrussell5

567 posts

269 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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yeah that's also true, they are already good. but it's still the one-in-a-hundred situation that gets you....maybe I'm just too old!

paul.davies

86 posts

271 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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Flasher, you must have the LUCKY Tamora. The brakes on mine are aweful. Even on a dry hot day, stick the anchors on and the rears lock up settting me into a right old wobble. I've taken it to the dealers twice and they can find nothing wrong. I would definitely pay for ABS. Would save money in the long run by cutting down on my bills for new pants.

lrussell5

567 posts

269 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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M&S do some nice polyester ones that won't shrink at 60 degrees. Apparently.

grigio alloy

Original Poster:

122 posts

268 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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The brakes are good on the Tamora and to a certain extent I agree with Flasher regarding driving style etc...BUT I feel I need every little bit of help I can get in unexpected emergency braking situations as a result of my own mis-judgment or that of `Herr Schmidt´ in his Merc/BMW Sofamobile.
I feel I could explore the Tamora`s undoubted reserves of performance with a little more confidence and on roads that are not glass smooth and bone dry if I had ABS.
As Nubbin has said I would prefer to spend my money on such items rather than the most expensive paint job or even air -con. (of course in an ideaworld TVR would have ABS as a 1000 quid option then I could still consider the other stuff as well)
The company with this ABS option is about 300 miles from where I live so it may be a few weeks before I get the chance to go up there on a weekday. I will report back on findings.

lrussell5

567 posts

269 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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I feel I could explore the Tamora`s undoubted reserves of performance with a little more confidence and on roads that are not glass smooth and bone dry if I had ABS.



You just hit the nail on the head! Let me know how you get on....

gb61390

1,879 posts

288 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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I'm with Flasher on this one!
We've all bought TVRs because they're real drivers cars and now you're asking for things to help you!
You mention the idiot who pulls out in front of you may cause you to need ABS but that's only because you're not observing and anticipating what's going on around you.
Best join your local IAM group and take the test. A lot cheaper than the £3000 to make your car heavier!
And before you say I'm calling you all shit drivers I'm not.
Cheers..... Andrew

frostie

428 posts

281 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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I know what ABS does and it saved me in my old E-Class once, but the brakes in the Tamora are so good I don't feel less confident in it because it hasn't got ABS.... and that is the honest truth. I just think it would be something else to go wrong......


Think I agree with you here flasher. Whilst ABS would be a nice option on all TVR's, reliability would be a MAJOR concern based on the factory's track record with electricals. Braking type failures are just about the worst of all !

lrussell5

567 posts

269 months

Thursday 4th July 2002
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good point but all the elecs would be bosch (or similar), and they're designed fail-safe.
ps my IAM instructor years ago told me ABS was the biggest advance in road safety in his view after the seatbelt. whatever.. I think we've done this thread!