Newbie querey: 350 and Sagaris

[andy_b]

Lost touch with all the new TVR's over the last couple of years and a new project I'm working on means I need to do a bit of catch up.

So excuse the (probably) pre-school level of questioning.

In laymans terms is a Sagaris based on a 350? Anyone know its final specs as I can't seem to find anything on the net.

Secondly is the 440 related to the 350? I thought it was, but have been told differently. How does the 440 sit with the Sagaris, which would you say is superior.

Lastly if your in Hampshire or Surrey, then I might need to discuss things further


Thanks in advance, your be pleased when it all comes off

[GCerbera]

andy_b said:

In laymans terms is a Sagaris based on a 350? Anyone know its final specs as I can't seem to find anything on the net.

Indeed, the Sagaris is a development on from the T350.

No final spec has been released as the car is under going this at the moment.
DEtails should be forthcoming within a month I understand.

The 440 shares the same speed six engine, but it has extensively developed to produce 440 bhp.

Hope that helps a little.
Graham
www.T350R.co.uk

[the pits]

The Sagaris is a T350 with wider track front and rear and full aerodynamic kit. It should at least be very stable at high speed and may produce a significant downforce advantage over the t350. The slashes over the front and rear wheel arches, while cool looking are also supposed to provide an outlet for any air that builds up under the wheel arches - all serious closed wheel racing cars have something similar which is where the idea came from. The bulge in the roof above the driver was rumoured to have been put there to allow Peter Wheeler (v.tall) to fit in comfortably whilst wearing a helmet as he planned to race one.

The engine is the 4.0 litre straight six, as opposed to the t350/tamora's 3.6 litre. It produces 400 bhp in it's current form (versus 350). It is currently used in the tuscan S to devastating effect. I guess it's a bit heavier and doesn't rev quite as hard at the 3.6 but the extra weight is partly offset by using lighter 'vinylester' body work, keeping the weight around the 1100kg mark. The sagaris also bonnet vents for better cooling (probably necessary with the bigger more powerful engine).

Unofficially you can order a T350 with a tuscan S 4 litre (I know of one car with this set up, presumably it's called a t400!) and you can also uprate the T350's 3.6 with a Red Rose option to around 375 bhp.

The T440 is a 4.2 litre straight six engine apparently, I was hoping it was a tuned 4 litre, then I'd have put one in my Sagaris which is on order. Personally I'd prefer further n/a tuning to the brutal supercharger option (typhon engine, 4.0 supercharged straight six producing over 600 bhp!) which is being rumoured for the Sagaris.

That's about all I know at the moment.

Only options I've gone for is air con and swanky paint which will be a necessity. It comes with anthracite 18" spiders as standard. 19" typhon wheels are rumoured as an option (see motorshow car).

[GCerbera]

the pits said:

Unofficially you can order a T350 with a tuscan S 4 litre (I know of one car with this set up, presumably it's called a t400!) and you can also uprate the T350's 3.6 with a Red Rose option to around 375 bhp.

I understand this can only be retro fitted / upgraded now as the factory will no longer
do this at the time of build.

[andy_b]

excellent, thanks guys, so the 440 is "from a different line" to the 350/Sagaris.

Thanks

[andy_b]

so is the Sagaris expected to fit inbetween the 350 and 440 in terms of power/speed. Why would someone buy a Sagaris over a 440 (and vice versa)


thanks all

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andy_b said:

so is the Sagaris expected to fit inbetween the 350 and 440 in terms of power/speed. Why would someone buy a Sagaris over a 440 (and vice versa) thanks all

The Sagaris is a race car for the road. It is in my opinion seated a little too low for everyday use. For the track, that's a different matter entirely.That's its main function; probably originally designed for a one make series, although maybe it will move up to GT under the new ownership, if its developed that is.

The T400 comes in three flavours:
The basic(?) option has/had a manual gearbox and normally aspirated engine.
The middle was going to include the sequential gearbox.
The top option is/was the Typhon with the sequential box and Supercharger.
I use both tenses, because with a Typhon on order, i'm still waiting to hear whether they will actually be built!
I'm fairly certain all three in the range have a carbon fibre floor pan and also that the Typhon is all Carbon fibre.
The body of all three is much larger than the Sagaris and T350. The idea of the Typhon certainly is to provide a range topping monster, with a highre power to weight ratio than anything excepting the extreme exotics.

The Typhon certainly is a road car for the racetrack.

And there is your difference - Racecar or Roadcar.

[andy_b]

excellent, great insight. Many thanks. I'll let you knwo what I'm upto when I can tell you

[the pits]

The T400/440R where originally Tuscan R's and I thought they were all carbon firbre. I'm not sure TVR sold any, making them almost a theoretical option. The Typhon is just a T400R with a supercharger and sequential gearbox. Isn't it? Not that that's in any way a bad thing mind.

I agree the Typhon series cars are more ultra quick road cars, and unlike the T350/ Sagaris family are all 2+2's. However the TVR GT and Le Mans racers are based on T400R's! It's never a simple distinction with TVR's the whole racer for the road thing! I think they look stunning in perhaps a more subtle way than the Sagaris (in road trim).

Did anyone mention that a Sagaris is £50k and the Typhon is nearer £80k and requires a two year wait for it? I guess that's the main reason why someone would have a Sagaris over a Typhon! That and maybe they prefer the looks. I do (just).

[gl911]

Graham,

I actually have a T350 with the Tuscan S engine and a bunch of other mods. Story to be read elsewhere on this forum.

G

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the pits said:

The T400/440R where originally Tuscan R's and I thought they were all carbon firbre. I'm not sure TVR sold any, making them almost a theoretical option. The Typhon is just a T400R with a supercharger and sequential gearbox. Isn't it? Not that that's in any way a bad thing mind.

Yep, supposed to be a carbon fibre tub for the central half/third with space frames bolted on. This would be a big step forward for TVR and the first non-spaceframe TVR (unless you count the Alvis Firebird based ladderback chassis.)

the pits said:

Did anyone mention that a Sagaris is £50k and the Typhon is nearer £80k and requires a two year wait for it? I guess that's the main reason why someone would have a Sagaris over a Typhon! That and maybe they prefer the looks. I do (just).

In the real world this is the most important point IMHO - Typhon expensive and may well go the way of the Speed 8, Speed 12, etc., at least you have a good chance of getting a Sagaris.