TVR Power, Blueprinted 3.6, worth it?

TVR Power, Blueprinted 3.6, worth it?

Author
Discussion

chris watton

Original Poster:

22,478 posts

266 months

Thursday 8th July 2004
quotequote all
As much as I'd love to have this done, it does seem very steep price wise, anyone had this done, if so, what are the gains, would they be noticable, and would it invalidate any exsisting warranty?

Chris (very tempted )

slinksport

15,704 posts

255 months

Thursday 8th July 2004
quotequote all
AFAIK Blueprinting is purely a rebuild of the engine to "fine" tolerances..

infact google define gives us

google define said:


The procedure of dismantling an engine, measuring, machining components, and reassembling it to the minimum factory tolerances. This procedure usually will provide more power and efficiency



Can't help with how much power that will produce, but surely TVR build to v. fine tolerances anyway, such is the nature of the S6 engine..

Slinky

chris watton

Original Poster:

22,478 posts

266 months

Friday 9th July 2004
quotequote all
Thanks for that Slinky , I think that nearly 3k for that is just a little too much, on the other hand, 3.6-4 litres!!!!! lol

ricardo

124 posts

290 months

Friday 9th July 2004
quotequote all
go for the 4.0 red rose option, you get TVR warranty as well. You know you want to.

z_chromozone

1,436 posts

255 months

Friday 9th July 2004
quotequote all
[redacted]

slinksport

15,704 posts

255 months

Friday 9th July 2004
quotequote all
The main reason I knew about it was from reading up on Autograssing rules (as well as the dragster, I'm involved in an autograss team)..

Class two cars have to run the standard engine, but the engine can be blueprinted..

Hmm, what's blueprinting I thought, and lo and behold the rules told me.

slinky

gl911

76 posts

266 months

Friday 9th July 2004
quotequote all
I avoided that and got my car with the Tuscan S engine. Nothing replaces good old fashioned engine capacity ;-)

slinksport

15,704 posts

255 months

Friday 9th July 2004
quotequote all
Mantra = There's no replacement for displacement!

chris watton

Original Poster:

22,478 posts

266 months

Friday 9th July 2004
quotequote all
So, a 3.6-4 litre upgrade would be better then?, I do worry about how reliable the engine would be though,(more stress etc) as I think I'll be keeping my Tam for a few years to come!
And the blueprinted engine is just a glorified service by any other name, I assume, and an expensive one at that!

Chris

willyworm

433 posts

245 months

Saturday 10th July 2004
quotequote all
I was talking to TVR Power at Pistonfest and they said Blue printing was included in the 4 litre conversion, and for just £450 extra (for injectors) you get the Red Rose option too. Seems like a good deal.
Blue printing £2938.00
4 litre, Red Rose and Blue printing £4915.80

Dawil

42 posts

245 months

Saturday 10th July 2004
quotequote all
That seems a good price. When I ordered my T350T back in Feb, dealer did'nt tell me I could have the 4L and 400bhp engine.
I did order with RedRose and that increase bhp to 375bhp. Still 3.6 tho.
Plus 40-50kg lighter and Tuscan S brakes.
Cost £4K
So £4.9 for 4L 400bhp RedRose seems better value.
Wish I knew you could do this. (My first TVR)

chris watton

Original Poster:

22,478 posts

266 months

Saturday 10th July 2004
quotequote all
My other half has told me that my car doesn't need any more BHP, or need to go faster!!,, woman!!! lol

Mr Freefall

2,323 posts

264 months

Sunday 11th July 2004
quotequote all
Dawil said:
That seems a good price. When I ordered my T350T back in Feb, dealer did'nt tell me I could have the 4L and 400bhp engine.
I did order with RedRose and that increase bhp to 375bhp. Still 3.6 tho.
Plus 40-50kg lighter and Tuscan S brakes.
Cost £4K
So £4.9 for 4L 400bhp RedRose seems better value.
Wish I knew you could do this. (My first TVR)


The 4.0 is reserved for the Sagaris, this is why you cannot get it in the T350...

daftlad

3,324 posts

247 months

Sunday 11th July 2004
quotequote all
chris watton said:
So, a 3.6-4 litre upgrade would be better then?, I do worry about how reliable the engine would be though,(more stress etc) as I think I'll be keeping my Tam for a few years to come!
And the blueprinted engine is just a glorified service by any other name, I assume, and an expensive one at that!

Chris

Bit harsh Chris, old 1600 GT Fords were 86 bhp before blue printing, 103.5 - 104 afterwards. It also helps the engines durability as the engine is better balanced....always assuming TVRs aren't built to blue print standard from new.

£3000 for a blue print, and an engine freshen up thrown in is very cheap IMO. For the above Ford example, the cost was around £2400 - 25 years ago.

Yes it is worthwhilwe, and yes it will release more power in the majority of cases, glorified service? Er...no.

chris watton

Original Poster:

22,478 posts

266 months

Sunday 11th July 2004
quotequote all
daftlad said:



chris watton said:
So, a 3.6-4 litre upgrade would be better then?, I do worry about how reliable the engine would be though,(more stress etc) as I think I'll be keeping my Tam for a few years to come!
And the blueprinted engine is just a glorified service by any other name, I assume, and an expensive one at that!

Chris


One other thing, would a 4Ltr upgrade have an ADVERSE effect on resale value, or vice versa? (Not that I'll be selling anytime soon, best car I've driven!)


Bit harsh Chris, old 1600 GT Fords were 86 bhp before blue printing, 103.5 - 104 afterwards. It also helps the engines durability as the engine is better balanced....always assuming TVRs aren't built to blue print standard from new.

£3000 for a blue print, and an engine freshen up thrown in is very cheap IMO. For the above Ford example, the cost was around £2400 - 25 years ago.

Yes it is worthwhilwe, and yes it will release more power in the majority of cases, glorified service? Er...no.




Being an engineering numpty, (I thought the fuel injectors and throttle bodies on my S6 were spark plugs until a friend pointed out what they were!!!), I do accept your (much) better judgement, do you think it would be wise to have the car rolling roaded before committing 3K, or just go the extra and have the 4L?, (although I think my wife would kill me!! lol)

>> Edited by chris watton on Sunday 11th July 10:10

>> Edited by chris watton on Sunday 11th July 10:44

daftlad

3,324 posts

247 months

Sunday 11th July 2004
quotequote all
Chris, it depends what you want, and what you've got. If you seek more power, then the 4.0 litre will probably deliver very little difference, although it will produce more torque. If your engine is tired, and you want an easy time with your insurance company, spend the 3K on the blue print. What you can't realy do is rolling road yours to find out how well built it is - as the figures vary so much.

Cant help beyond that I'm afraid...

bumcrack

977 posts

271 months

Monday 12th July 2004
quotequote all
Dawil said:
That seems a good price. When I ordered my T350T back in Feb, dealer did'nt tell me I could have the 4L and 400bhp engine.
I did order with RedRose and that increase bhp to 375bhp. Still 3.6 tho.
Plus 40-50kg lighter and Tuscan S brakes.
Cost £4K
So £4.9 for 4L 400bhp RedRose seems better value.
Wish I knew you could do this. (My first TVR)


Bet thats a bit of a rush

the pits

4,289 posts

246 months

Wednesday 14th July 2004
quotequote all
Yeah what's the RR T350 like? Have you run it in yet? I bet it goes like stink.

Personally I really like the idea of a tuned 3.6 as it revs higher and therefore sounds better than the 4.0. Your car's got to be more of a 'sleeper' too and must be fantastic fun surprising porsche and ferrari types, that is if any of them had the balls to take you on, which they never do, do they....

chris watton

Original Poster:

22,478 posts

266 months

Thursday 15th July 2004
quotequote all
I think I will wait a while until I get extra £££ from private commissions and take the Tam on a rolling road at TVR power, then have an engine blue print if required, I will then get a close ratio box fitted (Wifey said I could as long as I stop smoking!! ), and finally, book it in for a front/bonnet touch up jobby and hopefully, I should have a very well sorted Tam , (Not that it's not sorted already, drives great, but can't stop tinkering!) anyone else have the same prob??? LOL
PS, The pits, your advice has been great, thank you

>> Edited by chris watton on Thursday 15th July 23:36