Evo Sports car group test (Tamora)

Evo Sports car group test (Tamora)

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Graham B

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1,360 posts

289 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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This months EVO features a group test including the Tamora, Merc SLK, BMW Z4, S2000, 350Z and of course the Boxster.

Not read it all yet but it looks like the Tamora does very well...

Cheers,
Graham

Trefor

14,656 posts

289 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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No prizes for guessing what won.

They said the Tamora and Boxster were the real sports cars though.

IMO The test didn't go into much detail about which car was fastest/handled best etc really. Perhaps it was because they had too many cars to write about in the space alloted.

Another cracking edition of EVO overall though! EVO still outshines all the other magazines for real petrolheads.

stevenleith

230 posts

275 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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Boxster a real sports car? have a word....

Trefor

14,656 posts

289 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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stevenleith said:
Boxster a real sports car? have a word....


The Boxster S is a very very good car and deserves the sports car tag.

The group was new SLK (big improvement), Z4, S2000, 350Z converitble and the Tamora and Boxster.

bumcrack

977 posts

271 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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The article said the Boxster S and the Tamora where closely matched, Saying "the Boxster was stuck to the Tamoras rear bumper", I can't see that myself, unless the road was really bumpy. The Tamora creams just about everything on the road and leaves cars like the Subaru WRX, Boxster S rapidly in its wake every time I've come across them; it’s not even a challenge

ccharlie6

773 posts

246 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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i see that one of the first things that they mentioned was the better seats which EVO usually slate good to see TVR listening and bringing new things out, at the end of the write up they said they so wanted to give the tam the win but in the end the boxster is the more total car, looks lovely in the black with the 16's on

cacatous

3,166 posts

279 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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The Porsche was probably faster through the bends as the TVR doesn't have TC and it is probably more fluid through bumpy bends.

Also you don't have to sit there for 10 bloody minutes waiting for it to warm up!

Trefor

14,656 posts

289 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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Thing is, TVRs take time to learn and get the confidence to drive as quickly as I suspect you could round bends in a Boxster. Journos never get a chance to do this. Might be interesting if EVO had a Tamora/T350 long termer ... we'd get a more balanced story then. Mind you, the EVO steerers are not your average numpty - most are pretty seasoned test drivers/used to Caterhams/whatever.

Start looking at the track times journos are posting in TVRs and the truth comes out.

Many journalists have driven loads of Boxsters in the past 6 or so years it's been available - I bet they're very used to wringing them hard on a country road compared to a TVR.

Stuart Davidson

178 posts

256 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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They still managed to rack up nearly 2000 miles in our Tamora demonstrator though....!!!

chris watton

22,478 posts

266 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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Stuart Davidson said:
They still managed to rack up nearly 2000 miles in our Tamora demonstrator though....!!!


2000 miles How long did they have it for!!!
New rear tyres needed too???? lol

ed.

2,174 posts

244 months

Monday 5th July 2004
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whats the story with the wheels?
18's for motorshow and sales pics
16's for evo

Stuart Davidson

178 posts

256 months

Tuesday 6th July 2004
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1700 miles...I stand corrected (just checked the mileometer!) They had it for about ten days if I recall correctly!

It went from the motorshow back to the factory. We then registered it and once Evo had done their road-test, it came back to us!

I haven't managed to grab hold of a copy of the magazine yet. As far as I was aware they didn't change the wheels. I was under the impression that they were sticking with the 18" wheels but, for pricing purposes in the magazine, were going to report the list price (with the 16" wheels) of £36,500 as the entry level....ie to keep it as competitive as possible to SLK and Z4.

Can you tell in the article whether they did swop them to 16" wheels...I'd better nip out and check the wear on our tyres!

>> Edited by Stuart Davidson on Tuesday 6th July 09:23

RichardD

3,607 posts

251 months

Tuesday 6th July 2004
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cacatous said:
The Porsche was probably faster through the bends as the TVR doesn't have TC and it is probably more fluid through bumpy bends.

Also you don't have to sit there for 10 bloody minutes waiting for it to warm up!

From the track reports I've read (Autocar & Evo) the usual complaint against TVR's is the trickiness of managing oversteer with the very direct steering, and also the back ends being a bit soft.

Warming up?!? Well since this is normal in the world of motorbikes, it must be a sign of an engine with a good power/capacity ratio

cacatous

3,166 posts

279 months

Tuesday 6th July 2004
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RichardD said:

cacatous said:
The Porsche was probably faster through the bends as the TVR doesn't have TC and it is probably more fluid through bumpy bends.

Also you don't have to sit there for 10 bloody minutes waiting for it to warm up!


From the track reports I've read (Autocar & Evo) the usual complaint against TVR's is the trickiness of managing oversteer with the very direct steering, and also the back ends being a bit soft.

Warming up?!? Well since this is normal in the world of motorbikes, it must be a sign of an engine with a good power/capacity ratio


Really? Interesting! I bet those Mercedes AMG 6litre Twin Turbos must be a pain in the morning!

Oh yes, it's also not a drama to open/close the roof!

Er that's it! And before you ask, I would own a TVR over a Porsche any day!

RichardD

3,607 posts

251 months

Tuesday 6th July 2004
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cacatous said:

RichardD said:

From the track reports I've read (Autocar & Evo) the usual complaint against TVR's is the trickiness of managing oversteer with the very direct steering, and also the back ends being a bit soft.

Warming up?!? Well since this is normal in the world of motorbikes, it must be a sign of an engine with a good power/capacity ratio

Really? Interesting! I bet those Mercedes AMG 6litre Twin Turbos must be a pain in the morning!

Oh yes, it's also not a drama to open/close the roof!

Er that's it! And before you ask, I would own a TVR over a Porsche any day!

Oops, I should have been more specific by saying engines :- high revving / tuned / normally aspirated really. Warming up is a sign of race technology rather than everyday yawnmobile-ness.

chris watton

22,478 posts

266 months

Tuesday 6th July 2004
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I asked Chan to get me Evo today, but she bought the one I already had, the July issue! Is the August issue in the shops yet??

RichB

52,610 posts

290 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Stuart Davidson said:
Can you tell in the article whether they did swop them to 16" wheels
I would say from the pictures they are the 16"s. Rich...

RichB

52,610 posts

290 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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cacatous said:
Also you don't have to sit there for 10 bloody minutes waiting for it to warm up!
Neither do you in a TVR, you simply drive it sympathetically for the first 8-10 mins. No real hardship eh? Rich...

RichB

52,610 posts

290 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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chris watton said:
I asked Chan to get me Evo today, but she bought the one I already had, the July issue! Is the August issue in the shops yet??
Wow - you mean us subscribers have got the edition beofre it goes on the shelves for a change! Rich...

Seedy Sanchez

691 posts

281 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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It was definately on the 16". Apparently the higher profile tyres balance the cars responses better. The 18"ers look to sweet to ignore though.