Weird Electrical Problem

Weird Electrical Problem

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Martin350

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3,783 posts

201 months

Thursday 19th March 2020
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Hi.

I have a 2006 Monaro CV8 with an unusual issue!

It started of very occasional but has got more and more regular.
As I'm driving, every now and again, the ABS warning light comes on and almost immediately the dashboard lights, gauges, stereo and heater all switch off.
Then the 'ABS Fault' warning comes up on the dash and occasionally the 'Check engine' warning.

Sometimes it all comes back on after a few seconds, sometimes it takes a little longer.

The battery wasn't very healthy so I've fitted a new one but the problem persists.

Any ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated, I hate electrics, ha!


MontyPythonX

526 posts

122 months

Thursday 19th March 2020
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I'm no expert, but have you checked all the earth points?

vxr2010

2,594 posts

165 months

Thursday 19th March 2020
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Is the alternator providing enough power , go into the engineering mode and keep an eye on your battery voltage as you drive , abs can be a sensor failing .. code reader , the cel could be an ht lead failing or other common thing is o2 sensors .. again best checked with a good code reader , if battery failed due to a charging issue then that’s why issue still carries on

vxr2010

2,594 posts

165 months

Thursday 19th March 2020
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on the earthing point comment , i always run an extra earth on all my cars , engineering mode will confirm if charge is steady and correct voltage

SturdyHSV

10,206 posts

173 months

Thursday 19th March 2020
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All the dash going funny and multiple warnings etc. I'd imagine it's a voltage issue somehow, new battery is a good start, if the old one snuffed it though as above perhaps it is the alternator or poor grounds...

motomk

2,163 posts

250 months

Thursday 19th March 2020
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Battery terminal connectors clean?

I reckon on the code reader to.

Martin350

Original Poster:

3,783 posts

201 months

Thursday 19th March 2020
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Wow, so many replies so quickly!

I'm using a different car today but I can take it for a drive tomorrow and look at the voltmeter.
I've checked alternator output and that was good at 14.2v.

Battery terminals are good, I checked those when I put the new battery on.

I'll have a dig around for earthing points tomorrow.

I did wonder if the ABS was bringing up a warning when the speedo died because the sensors were detecting rotation when the speedo was at 0..?

Thank you all.

Glyn84

667 posts

186 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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I never had the ABS light coming on, but definitely had the dashboard lights, gauges, stereo and heater all switch off issue on mine. What I eventually twigged was the voltage crept up just before they all turned, then when voltage returned to normal they all came back on again. It started off as a very intermittent issue but got progressively worse.

I suspected voltage regulator so replaced the alternator as it had done 150k by this point and all was well smile

Martin350

Original Poster:

3,783 posts

201 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Hi Glyn.
I didn't notice the ABS light coming on at first, it's a very quick flicker before everything goes off.

Mine was also very intermittent but has got worse.

Thinking back, just before this started happening both headlamp bulbs blew in quite quick succession, so a voltage spike could tie in with that, maybe..?

Thanks for the reply, I might well try a prolonged alternator test tomorrow.

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selym

9,555 posts

177 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Been here and bought the t-shirt. I had exactly the same symptoms and it was a big earth problem, namely the one that sits under the ABS block. My issue was so bad I had to replace a termination on the passenger side towards the front of the engine - I guess it was the easiest path to earth and had melted the plug and some of the cable!

Interestingly I could also see a spark jumping between a hard PAS pipe and the chassis, that's how bad it was.

Martin350

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3,783 posts

201 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Hi selym.
Thanks for that.
Do you mean this earth point, just behind the battery as you look into the engine bay?



I've just run the engine now, in the dark, (my neighbours love me!) and had a look but couldn't see any sparky arcy stuff.

I cleaned up this earth point and took it for a drive.
All seemed well for about 10-15 minutes until I was on a dark country lane with high beams on and it all went off again.
When it came back on a few seconds later it was apparent that BOTH high beam bulbs had blown! irked

selym

9,555 posts

177 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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That was the earth point that was my issue, yes.

Lincsls1

3,415 posts

146 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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Please let us know if and when you solve this problem, I'm sure you probably would anyway, but its really helpful for others.thumbup

Martin350

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3,783 posts

201 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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selym said:
That was the earth point that was my issue, yes.
Ok, thanks.
I might have another go at cleaning this earth point up then as it did seem to take longer for it to happen last night and only the once.
I'll road test it in daytime, though, so if it does happen it won't blow more (quite expensive) headlamp bulbs!

Martin350

Original Poster:

3,783 posts

201 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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Lincsls1 said:
Please let us know if and when you solve this problem, I'm sure you probably would anyway, but its really helpful for others.thumbup
I certainly will! thumbup

fred bloggs

1,342 posts

206 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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I had the same symptoms, shortly after my alternator died.

If the big live plug on the back of the alternator has a good 14v then perhaps you have an issue from there to the battery live.

Martin350

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3,783 posts

201 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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fred bloggs said:
I had the same symptoms, shortly after my alternator died.

If the big live plug on the back of the alternator has a good 14v then perhaps you have an issue from there to the battery live.
Interesting.
Another potential line of investigation then.
Thank you!


vxr2010

2,594 posts

165 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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if it’s putting too many volts in it must be the alternator as it’s the only thing that can do that , worth checking connections as above but sounds like the regulator is on its way out , a bit of a fiddle to change but very do able at home

Martin350

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3,783 posts

201 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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vxr2010 said:
if it’s putting too many volts in it must be the alternator as it’s the only thing that can do that , worth checking connections as above but sounds like the regulator is on its way out , a bit of a fiddle to change but very do able at home
I took it for a quick drive today, just very locally, until it threw a wobbly.
Went straight home and put a voltmeter across the battery.
A couple of minutes went by with it flickering between 13.8 and 14.0 volts, then all of a sudden 15, 16, and up to 17.5v! eek

I think it's safe to say that it's a voltage regulation issue! hehe
It's off the road now until I get the parts to sort it out.

Does anyone know if it has an externally mounted regulator, or must it be a replacement alternator?

I'm fine with fitting either myself, I'm quite handy with the old spanners.

vxr2010

2,594 posts

165 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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different alternator as far as i am aware , but my 04 cv8 he could not find a new regulator so repaired it , he maybe be able to help you , it’s called unit exchange in borehamwood herts , it’s well worth a phone call , he did manage to repair mine it was around 80£ , it could be posted to him , option two aas walkinshaw or rock auto but i think it will be £ , i would not start car again until it’s sorted so you don’t damage any thing