Aussie prices up , UK prices down

[HSV001]

Hi All,

just flicking around the interweb as you do and I always keep track of how the market is going and noticed at moment Monaro prices seem terrible. VXR versions are struggling to get 10 - 12k for some real nice looking examples where as over in Australia, if I have the car right... HSV Coupe (looks identical to the Monaro VXR/6.0LS2) is going for £38k :O

do you think the UK market will follow suit eventually? for those prices, Australians should be importing them by the boat load lol.

[RichMVXR]

Mine is in amazing condition. Last owner had it for 9 years and the car has been garaged for all of that. Very clean underneath and I paid £11,500 for it with uprated clutch, AP Racing brakes and stainless exhaust. Seemed like a bargain to me, I’ll be very happy if I’ve bought it at exactly the right time.

[p4cks]

There's just not the same market/desire for them in the UK compared with Australia. They love a large engined, thirsty car whereas the British are still stuck on their smaller capacity turbos

[selym]

I think the Vauxhalls cannot be imported into Aus. Someone put me right.

[S47]

P4cks &HSV001
As you said there's no desire for them coz of the large engine size.
IMO Prices in UK are well OTT £6-8K would be a sensible starting point to sell a Monaro at the moment [check out ebay's completed listings and REAL Monaro selling prices!!] - Having spoken to a few sellers on the phone, owners of these Overpriced cars are BS'ing dreamers IMO. at the prices the cars are listed at they are never gonna get any serious enquiries. Of course the seller can ask any price they choose, what the High advertised price does for sure is to get any potential buyers to look at other 4wheeled options for their hard earned £'s - fortunately in UK there are plenty of alternatives
At the end of the day the Monaro is currently an old,outdated and seriously overpriced/overated car, about 10 years shy of qualifying for classic car status, the colour choice available is also VERY limited, so what good points does it have - I'm sure plenty of sellers of these OP cars will be along soon to let us all know
In Australia, rust rot destroying cars isn't a factor like it is in UK, and the home Manufactured 'Holden'cars are well known there - in UK its a totally different Car marketplace and Vauxhall's are NOT a desired UK brand whatsoever, never have been, and Holdens are unknown in UK.
Nothing 4 wheeled & overpriced is selling in UK at the moment whatever badge is on the bonnet. the sooner sellers realise this the better for everyone, but greed tends to prevent common sense applying on this subject, so don't hold your breath for this to happen anytime soon - what we need is for the press to highlight the huge losses being made by some well known owners of exotica [but kept Quiet] by greedy Bullstting dealers looking for any remaining mugs/investors to pay OTT prices
If you do want to ship a car back to Aus be sure you check out the rust issues, an easy way to do this is to check the UK MOT history which lists any rust seen on cars during this test - if a car has rusty springs or brakepipes for example, then this will be a good guide to how and when the car has been used, and there's certainly gonne be rust elsewhere on that car. - even if there's nothing listed on an MOT it could mean that the owner has changed the rusty bits prior to testing - finally if there appears to be new rustproof spraying applied, what's it hiding? - Buyer beware

[SturdyHSV]

Also in Aus, HSV is a comparatively prestigious brand (at least amongst the bogans that buy them ), think AMG compared to Mercedes, so they were more expensive when new as well.

Add to that the long brand history of Holden out there, and now with Holden not producing any RWD V8s anymore, they're the last coupe you could get really, and yes, the Aussies do like their proper cars

Realistically over here in most people's perception it's an unheard of 15 year old Vauxhall that'll cost lots to tax, insure and fuel and is much slower than the Golf R they could finance for £300 / mo that would also impress their neighbours far more.

Look at it like this though, the pre-facelift (so 2008-2011) E9x M3s are falling to the same money, and they were ~£60k list with their pathetic little 4 litre

[fred bloggs]

S47 said:

P4cks &HSV001
As you said there's no desire for them coz of the large engine size.
IMO Prices in UK are well OTT £6-8K would be a sensible starting point to sell a Monaro at the moment [check out ebay's completed listings and REAL Monaro selling prices!!] - Having spoken to a few sellers on the phone, owners of these Overpriced cars are BS'ing dreamers IMO. at the prices the cars are listed at they are never gonna get any serious enquiries. Of course the seller can ask any price they choose, what the High advertised price does for sure is to get any potential buyers to look at other 4wheeled options for their hard earned £'s - fortunately in UK there are plenty of alternatives
At the end of the day the Monaro is currently an old,outdated and seriously overpriced/overated car, about 10 years shy of qualifying for classic car status, the colour choice available is also VERY limited, so what good points does it have - I'm sure plenty of sellers of these OP cars will be along soon to let us all know
In Australia, rust rot destroying cars isn't a factor like it is in UK, and the home Manufactured 'Holden'cars are well known there - in UK its a totally different Car marketplace and Vauxhall's are NOT a desired UK brand whatsoever, never have been, and Holdens are unknown in UK.
Nothing 4 wheeled & overpriced is selling in UK at the moment whatever badge is on the bonnet. the sooner sellers realise this the better for everyone, but greed tends to prevent common sense applying on this subject, so don't hold your breath for this to happen anytime soon - what we need is for the press to highlight the huge losses being made by some well known owners of exotica [but kept Quiet] by greedy Bullstting dealers looking for any remaining mugs/investors to pay OTT prices
If you do want to ship a car back to Aus be sure you check out the rust issues, an easy way to do this is to check the UK MOT history which lists any rust seen on cars during this test - if a car has rusty springs or brakepipes for example, then this will be a good guide to how and when the car has been used, and there's certainly gonne be rust elsewhere on that car. - even if there's nothing listed on an MOT it could mean that the owner has changed the rusty bits prior to testing - finally if there appears to be new rustproof spraying applied, what's it hiding? - Buyer beware

Truth. People do rose tint things.

[SturdyHSV]

As a used proposition they basically offer big V8, manual, RWD and cheap maintenance / servicing compared to your alternatives.

Some may value rarity / lack of image, some may not

No doubt the Vauxhall badge / lack of reputation hurts it though, look at a 2005 Mustang, down on power (compared to a VXR at least), live rear axle handling fun (see crowd incidents) and LHD, yet the Mustang image is enough to ensure values of those will always be stronger.

[stu vxr]

HSV001 said:

Hi All,

just flicking around the interweb as you do and I always keep track of how the market is going and noticed at moment Monaro prices seem terrible. VXR versions are struggling to get 10 - 12k for some real nice looking examples where as over in Australia, if I have the car right... HSV Coupe (looks identical to the Monaro VXR/6.0LS2) is going for £38k :O

do you think the UK market will follow suit eventually? for those prices, Australians should be importing them by the boat load lol.

Are you actually serious? Believe me you won't get a decent example for anywhere near that, yes there are plenty on the market that are overpriced and are for sale at the moment, but some are way of the mark, the Monaro now is a selective market.

I know of a very very reputable dealer that paid well over what your quoting and then went on to sell that car in less than a day.

Meanwhile all the decent and special cars like mine remain in good hands and a long way from the price you quote.

Edited by stu vxr on Saturday 19th October 06:19

[stu vxr]

S47 said:

P4cks &HSV001
As you said there's no desire for them coz of the large engine size.
IMO Prices in UK are well OTT £6-8K would be a sensible starting point to sell a Monaro at the moment [check out ebay's completed listings and REAL Monaro selling prices!!] - Having spoken to a few sellers on the phone, owners of these Overpriced cars are BS'ing dreamers IMO. at the prices the cars are listed at they are never gonna get any serious enquiries. Of course the seller can ask any price they choose, what the High advertised price does for sure is to get any potential buyers to look at other 4wheeled options for their hard earned £'s - fortunately in UK there are plenty of alternatives
At the end of the day the Monaro is currently an old,outdated and seriously overpriced/overated car, about 10 years shy of qualifying for classic car status, the colour choice available is also VERY limited, so what good points does it have - I'm sure plenty of sellers of these OP cars will be along soon to let us all know
In Australia, rust rot destroying cars isn't a factor like it is in UK, and the home Manufactured 'Holden'cars are well known there - in UK its a totally different Car marketplace and Vauxhall's are NOT a desired UK brand whatsoever, never have been, and Holdens are unknown in UK.
Nothing 4 wheeled & overpriced is selling in UK at the moment whatever badge is on the bonnet. the sooner sellers realise this the better for everyone, but greed tends to prevent common sense applying on this subject, so don't hold your breath for this to happen anytime soon - what we need is for the press to highlight the huge losses being made by some well known owners of exotica [but kept Quiet] by greedy Bullstting dealers looking for any remaining mugs/investors to pay OTT prices
If you do want to ship a car back to Aus be sure you check out the rust issues, an easy way to do this is to check the UK MOT history which lists any rust seen on cars during this test - if a car has rusty springs or brakepipes for example, then this will be a good guide to how and when the car has been used, and there's certainly gonne be rust elsewhere on that car. - even if there's nothing listed on an MOT it could mean that the owner has changed the rusty bits prior to testing - finally if there appears to be new rustproof spraying applied, what's it hiding? - Buyer beware

Oh dear you are so wrong, go and buy a half decent one for less than 10k and post some pictures so we can have some entertainment.

Personally I see your post as offensive and derogatory to a car you know nothing about, most people on here are enthusiast and have put their life and soul into their cars, so please don't cheapen or compare our cars to anything else out there.

[ianwayne]

Reading his posts, its his hobby horse about asking prices. Seems he wants one (as mentioned in another thread), but is not willing to pay what people want, so runs them all down.

[Lincsls1]

What do they have going for them?
Just look at the picture at the top of the thread, the Monaro is a gorgeous looking bruiser!

[mfp4073]

Oh dear, here we go again.
I bought a Monaro years ago, I've since spent virtually the purchase price again on mods. The car has less than 70000 miles on the clock and is garaged every night and isn't used in the winter.
The overall condition is very good and reflects the way it's been cared for.
As for the rust issue, well with regards to my car there isn't any.
How can any potential buyer who has at least two or three brain cells that are firing in the correct order expected to get a 400+HP 170MPH muscle car for peanuts,.....REALLY!!!!
If people think these cars are too expensive and the owners are BS dreamers then stop going on about it ....go and buy something else.

John

Edited by mfp4073 on Friday 18th October 23:27

[throwyourbike]

An LS2 VXR with 39k miles on it came up for sale 50 yards from my office last month.
It’s the first time I’ve ever seen another LS2 in Northern Ireland.

The dealer was asking for £15,995, which I thought was a bit much and was expecting to see it sit on the forecourt for a while.

Two days later, it was sold.

I have no idea of the circumstances of course, but it just goes to show that there are still people out there willing to pay good sums of money for these cars.

[Lincsls1]

I have to say (again) that mileage really doesn't reflect condition with these cars.
When I looked for my first Ro back in 2012, I view a few low mileage examples all with less than 40k on the clock and to be honest they all had issues - minor granted - but were reflective of very average care.
I ended up buying a 22k car (the cheapest) that still needed a good dose of TLC to get to my standard.
Fast forward to 2018 and I viewed a few again and it was much the same. I viewed a car with less than 40k on it, one with 50 odd and then mine with 80k. The 40k car wasn't bad, but should have been better for its price. The 50k car was tired in many respects and then my 80k car was sort of on par with the first, but much cheaper.
When factored in with the lower tax (55 reg) and the fact it was the 5.7 VXR I opted for it. The result was the same all needed a good dose of TLC which mine is receiving slowly but surely and now it is close to the standard of my much lower mileage first Ro and in some regards better.
In both 2012 and 2018 the higher price cars were not any better than the cheaper ones.
I will say though that I would have been prepared to spend top money on a Monaro that's condition reflected its price so the guys on here with fantastic ones needn't worry.

[eliot]

p4cks said:

There's just not the same market/desire for them in the UK compared with Australia. They love a large engined, thirsty car whereas the British are still stuck on their smaller capacity turbos

Having just spent two weeks at the gold coast, what i found infuriating was just how slow everyone drives and they stick to the 80k speed limit on a 4 lane motorway like st to a blanket.
Mile after mile of lovely v8’s chugging along at 50mph did my head in.

[RipGMH]

eliot said:

Having just spent two weeks at the gold coast, what i found infuriating was just how slow everyone drives and they stick to the 80k speed limit on a 4 lane motorway like st to a blanket.
Mile after mile of lovely v8’s chugging along at 50mph did my head in.

Thats coz in Oz we have speed cameras everywhere and fine people for doing 3mph over the limit...

Back to OP post, prices may hold in the UK as more cars are destroyed and the number of die hards vs cars available levels out prices may even get stronger in 5-10years
BUT Oz will always be higher because that’s the home of Holden,and these are the last Oz 2 doors v8s

Atleast that’s my thinking and why I bought mine here to bring home

[Nickyboy]

S47 said:

P4cks &HSV001
As you said there's no desire for them coz of the large engine size.
IMO Prices in UK are well OTT £6-8K would be a sensible starting point to sell a Monaro at the moment [check out ebay's completed listings and REAL Monaro selling prices!!] - Having spoken to a few sellers on the phone, owners of these Overpriced cars are BS'ing dreamers IMO. at the prices the cars are listed at they are never gonna get any serious enquiries. Of course the seller can ask any price they choose, what the High advertised price does for sure is to get any potential buyers to look at other 4wheeled options for their hard earned £'s - fortunately in UK there are plenty of alternatives
At the end of the day the Monaro is currently an old,outdated and seriously overpriced/overated car, about 10 years shy of qualifying for classic car status, the colour choice available is also VERY limited, so what good points does it have - I'm sure plenty of sellers of these OP cars will be along soon to let us all know
In Australia, rust rot destroying cars isn't a factor like it is in UK, and the home Manufactured 'Holden'cars are well known there - in UK its a totally different Car marketplace and Vauxhall's are NOT a desired UK brand whatsoever, never have been, and Holdens are unknown in UK.
Nothing 4 wheeled & overpriced is selling in UK at the moment whatever badge is on the bonnet. the sooner sellers realise this the better for everyone, but greed tends to prevent common sense applying on this subject, so don't hold your breath for this to happen anytime soon - what we need is for the press to highlight the huge losses being made by some well known owners of exotica [but kept Quiet] by greedy Bullstting dealers looking for any remaining mugs/investors to pay OTT prices
If you do want to ship a car back to Aus be sure you check out the rust issues, an easy way to do this is to check the UK MOT history which lists any rust seen on cars during this test - if a car has rusty springs or brakepipes for example, then this will be a good guide to how and when the car has been used, and there's certainly gonne be rust elsewhere on that car. - even if there's nothing listed on an MOT it could mean that the owner has changed the rusty bits prior to testing - finally if there appears to be new rustproof spraying applied, what's it hiding? - Buyer beware

You're confusing a Monaro with some kind of run of the mill car.

Saying they're undesirable is laughable, people don't buy them for the sake of it, they buy them because they want one. That said they're not going to appeal to everybody, the same as every other niche car. The badge may put some people off but those that know what they're buying know full well it's not a Vauxhall, you've only got to remove the Vauxhall badge off the grill and the Holden badge is underneath. They are old and outdated, a standard car will struggle against a modern high performance VAG or similar, BUT, if that's what you want then you aren't going to be looking at a 15 year old muscle car. You're buying it because you want a muscle car and if that's what you want they're a bargain.

[Lincsls1]

If they weren't old and outdated they would be front wheel drive and fitted with a 3 cylinder 1.5 turbo, not to mention all the over the top drive aids and nanny state technology which frankly has no appeal at all.

[stu vxr]

Nickyboy said:

You're confusing a Monaro with some kind of run of the mill car.

Saying they're undesirable is laughable, people don't buy them for the sake of it, they buy them because they want one. That said they're not going to appeal to everybody, the same as every other niche car. The badge may put some people off but those that know what they're buying know full well it's not a Vauxhall, you've only got to remove the Vauxhall badge off the grill and the Holden badge is underneath. They are old and outdated, a standard car will struggle against a modern high performance VAG or similar, BUT, if that's what you want then you aren't going to be looking at a 15 year old muscle car. You're buying it because you want a muscle car and if that's what you want they're a bargain.

Very true about how slow they are standard when pitched against a hot hatch, this though would only be true in everyday driving not sure what would happen at the top end.

I am charged and occasionally I love to play with the VAG stuff, destroyed a golf GTi on the way back from a meet yesterday, on the other hand I have been embarrassed by some of the Mercedes and Audi cars, the AmG and Rs stuff is insanely fast, that doesn't put me off though the Monaro is just so much more cool it looks fast when parked up.