THIRD oil pump failure.
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Well, after a failure at 35k, then a new crate motor who's pump failed at just 4k, it's failed again now at 20k on the new crate motor in just over a year.
I think my HSV days are over.
Trouble is i live in a flat and can't store it anywhere. If anybody has any suggestions or wants a stupidly cheap winter engine rebuild/track car project, please PM me & let me know. Open to anything. Been the most fun but the most unrelable PoS I've owned. Really not impressed as you can imagine. Greatly enjoyed the Ace Aussie day meets and Heritage Centre meet. Good luck to the rest of you. Cheers.
(In case anyone wonders, yes it is always warmed up, cooled down, never overfilled, had 32% indicated remaining oil life this time etc).
I think my HSV days are over.
Trouble is i live in a flat and can't store it anywhere. If anybody has any suggestions or wants a stupidly cheap winter engine rebuild/track car project, please PM me & let me know. Open to anything. Been the most fun but the most unrelable PoS I've owned. Really not impressed as you can imagine. Greatly enjoyed the Ace Aussie day meets and Heritage Centre meet. Good luck to the rest of you. Cheers.
(In case anyone wonders, yes it is always warmed up, cooled down, never overfilled, had 32% indicated remaining oil life this time etc).
Last two times it seems to happen when it's hot and driven hard. I honestly think the pump body/relief valve expand at different rates and it starts to jam. After the 4k episode, I'd done about 120 hard, fast miles with a friend on 'B' roads. He was in a 5.4 litre MB, no issues. I lost all pressure pretty much but caught it immediately. Saw the pump at Monkfish and relief valve was still stuck. I certainly have no doubt that all work at the 'fish was spot on. Was driven hard most recently but if a big old lump like that can't take a bit of heavy right foot, I really don't know how to stop it happening again...
Sorry to hear ypur woes
But to have 3 oil pump failures and 2 engines in the same car it has to be an issue with the car setup itself not the engine or oil pump
It's not just jinxed.
Surely your car has other issues causing the oil pump to fail
Could be a wiring / electrical / ECU issue. It's surely got be external to the oil pump itself
Having bought and sold these cars for 12 years this is a unusual situation and 3 times !!!!!
Even if you are ragging the car occasionally
But to have 3 oil pump failures and 2 engines in the same car it has to be an issue with the car setup itself not the engine or oil pump
It's not just jinxed.
Surely your car has other issues causing the oil pump to fail
Could be a wiring / electrical / ECU issue. It's surely got be external to the oil pump itself
Having bought and sold these cars for 12 years this is a unusual situation and 3 times !!!!!
Even if you are ragging the car occasionally
preciousmetal said:
Sorry to hear ypur woes
But to have 3 oil pump failures and 2 engines in the same car it has to be an issue with the car setup itself not the engine or oil pump
It's not just jinxed.
Surely your car has other issues causing the oil pump to fail
Could be a wiring / electrical / ECU issue. It's surely got be external to the oil pump itself
Having bought and sold these cars for 12 years this is a unusual situation and 3 times !!!!!
Even if you are ragging the car occasionally
It is crazy James, Roger said he'd not seen many over the years but 3 is nuts isn't it! All work was done by Monkfish so spot on. Always used Mobil 1 oil, usually changed before needed. Had no other known or visible wiring / electrical / ECU issues, no warning lights, no error codes. New rad too so no cooling issues and temp gauge has never fluctuated. As mentioned previously it still had the relief valve stuck when I saw the 4K old pump at Monkfish. Dunno what this one will reveal.But to have 3 oil pump failures and 2 engines in the same car it has to be an issue with the car setup itself not the engine or oil pump
It's not just jinxed.
Surely your car has other issues causing the oil pump to fail
Could be a wiring / electrical / ECU issue. It's surely got be external to the oil pump itself
Having bought and sold these cars for 12 years this is a unusual situation and 3 times !!!!!
Even if you are ragging the car occasionally
As much as I love it, its reliability is crippling me financially and it's gotta be time to move on. It's a daily driver too so having it off the road for weeks at a time just doesn't cut it. I can't get in to work any other way so really need something that'll be reliable all year round.
stevieturbo said:
Do those crate motors not come with a full warranty ?
Although it is beyond utterly bizarre to happen so often.
These crate motors are used in their entirety ? Installed and not touched or altered in any way ?
Was purchased from Partsworld by MF. Been in just over a year now anyway. Not sure exactly on full fitting procedure, only MF could confirm that.Although it is beyond utterly bizarre to happen so often.
These crate motors are used in their entirety ? Installed and not touched or altered in any way ?
I have spoke to a number of people with oiling / crank issues with some of these engines that have been supplied previously
Whoever supplied and fitted should supply some sort of warranty eg : 12 months or 12 k which ever the sooner ( not who supplied them , its who supplied you ,that would be who the contract is with )
Whoever supplied and fitted should supply some sort of warranty eg : 12 months or 12 k which ever the sooner ( not who supplied them , its who supplied you ,that would be who the contract is with )
raving said:
I have spoke to a number of people with oiling / crank issues with some of these engines that have been supplied previously
Whoever supplied and fitted should supply some sort of warranty eg : 12 months or 12 k which ever the sooner ( not who supplied them , its who supplied you ,that would be who the contract is with )
Even if MF were still going, it would unfortunately be past 12 months and well past 12K miles now either way you look at it.Whoever supplied and fitted should supply some sort of warranty eg : 12 months or 12 k which ever the sooner ( not who supplied them , its who supplied you ,that would be who the contract is with )
stevieturbo said:
Surely a warranty on a crate motor...is a crate motor. Not a part of it ?
When the oil pressure dropped, I caught it immediately, stopped it and it was trailered home then to MF. MF replaced the pump and all else seemed fine. I think they did this off their own back. Without knowing all the ins/outs etc it's not really for me to comment on behalf of other parties. Fact is it's happened 3 times on two engines and I'm in no position to keep doing these repairs every year. I like to go out and drive my car - hence the reason I do 20K miles or more per annum. I need something that doesn't leave me by the roadside every few months and with no means of transport to go and earning a living.Fact is, it's too late to save it or whatever now and most guarantees would likely only be 12 months.
It would be more helpful to try and ascertain a cause of the repeated failures than continue conversation about the responsibility and guarantees.
Does anyone else actually drive their car hard, on a daily basis all year round and commute too? Many seem to do few miles,what sort of oil temps are you all getting, what do you call driven hard? I can clock up 120 miles on a little jaunt before work, empty a tank of petrol in a few hours on a Saturday morning. Maybe mine just gets used a lot more, who knows? Either way, it isn't/hasn't been a very reliable car lol.
I once had an engine that failed to make oil pressure from new. All a bit odd but I fitted a new pump and carried out an internal inspection and away it went.
My take is that if the crate engine had the usual sump ls3 sump fitted then that would have had to be changed for a monaro sump and oil pickup. If your old sump has been fitted to the new engine it'll look like an older part. The common link would be your oil pick up, 'O' ring seal and the sump. These are the parts I'd double check for damage or fitment issues.
Is your engine damaged or as far as you know it's just been a loss of oil pressure? If the latter replace the parts I've mentioned above and maybe the pump as well.
My take is that if the crate engine had the usual sump ls3 sump fitted then that would have had to be changed for a monaro sump and oil pickup. If your old sump has been fitted to the new engine it'll look like an older part. The common link would be your oil pick up, 'O' ring seal and the sump. These are the parts I'd double check for damage or fitment issues.
Is your engine damaged or as far as you know it's just been a loss of oil pressure? If the latter replace the parts I've mentioned above and maybe the pump as well.
My first thoughts were that it sounds like a result of very hard driving, but you should be able to, they should take the beating. Maybe they just can't!
Your hard driving sounds very different to mine though - 10 minutes of madness every now and then, but otherwise I'm extremely mechanically sympathetic and only do 4-6k a year.
Your hard driving sounds very different to mine though - 10 minutes of madness every now and then, but otherwise I'm extremely mechanically sympathetic and only do 4-6k a year.
Boosted LS1 said:
I once had an engine that failed to make oil pressure from new. All a bit odd but I fitted a new pump and carried out an internal inspection and away it went.
My take is that if the crate engine had the usual sump ls3 sump fitted then that would have had to be changed for a monaro sump and oil pickup. If your old sump has been fitted to the new engine it'll look like an older part. The common link would be your oil pick up, 'O' ring seal and the sump. These are the parts I'd double check for damage or fitment issues.
Is your engine damaged or as far as you know it's just been a loss of oil pressure? If the latter replace the parts I've mentioned above and maybe the pump as well.
Speed4U took my old engine so maybe if he's broken it down, he could tell us about the first failure on the original engine. As regards the replacement crate motor, I'm sure if VXR8's have a 'Monaro' sump, Monkfish would have swapped them if need be. Like I mentioned, the relief valve was still stuck in the pump on the new motor - I saw it at Monkfish. As to the new pump failure, no idea.My take is that if the crate engine had the usual sump ls3 sump fitted then that would have had to be changed for a monaro sump and oil pickup. If your old sump has been fitted to the new engine it'll look like an older part. The common link would be your oil pick up, 'O' ring seal and the sump. These are the parts I'd double check for damage or fitment issues.
Is your engine damaged or as far as you know it's just been a loss of oil pressure? If the latter replace the parts I've mentioned above and maybe the pump as well.
I started the engine very briefly the next day in the hope that the valve had freed but it seemed to have a slight noise that sounded as if it came from somewhere in the bottom end region but I turned it off pretty sharpish.
lincsls2 said:
My first thoughts were that it sounds like a result of very hard driving, but you should be able to, they should take the beating. Maybe they just can't!
Your hard driving sounds very different to mine though - 10 minutes of madness every now and then, but otherwise I'm extremely mechanically sympathetic and only do 4-6k a year.
That was my first thought, I drive it very hard and it really can't take it on a prolonged & regular pattern. Dunno what I'm gonna replace it with. I thought maybe an Austin A35 and a trilby to calm me down a bit Your hard driving sounds very different to mine though - 10 minutes of madness every now and then, but otherwise I'm extremely mechanically sympathetic and only do 4-6k a year.
ARAF said:
I tracked the VXR8 quite a bit and have also tracked the Ute a few times.
The only problem I have encountered is that the oil does get very warm, very quickly, so after a few laps you need to cruise for a lap to let the oil cool a bit.
Yeah, it is surprising how fast the temp builds up during spirited driving. Likewise, I used to let it drop down to a 'normal' level. Probably about 12 miles down the local dual carriageway tops and it's way too hot. Probably half that distance in warmer weather. You'd think a car from Oz would cope with/dissipate heat a bit better really. The only problem I have encountered is that the oil does get very warm, very quickly, so after a few laps you need to cruise for a lap to let the oil cool a bit.
Maybe I need a 40 gallon sump...
Edited by globalfish on Saturday 23 June 22:23
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