LSA into VXR8 Accessory Drive questions

LSA into VXR8 Accessory Drive questions

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FoxdieUK

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441 posts

146 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Hi all,

Does anyone have any ideas what is required to turn a crate LSA into a fully fledged replacement for a VXR8 LS2 / LS3? I'm speaking specifically about accessory drives (brackets, pulleys, etc), pumps, alternator, starter motor etc..

Hoping some kind soul on here has gone through this before and knows exactly what needs to be bought smile

Kind regards

BartW

1,693 posts

175 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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You can probably buy a full kit consisting of all necessary parts.

ARAF

20,759 posts

229 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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From what I've heard, not all LSAs are the same. They share a name, but the Aussie ones are not the same as the ones you get from PWP over here.

So, is it a RHD LSA that you are enquiring about? If so, Moif has just had one fitted by Monkfish, and may know what was involved.

moif

1,331 posts

166 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Araf you are correct,the one from PWP wont fit in your VXR8 due to it been for a Caddy,you need a GTS LSA
there is the odd bracket you need and definitely a stater motor
If you speak to Mr Fish he has a list of bits and prices you need to convert to either a standard LSA or a mental LSA smile

ArnieVXR

2,449 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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I understand an LSA into a VXR8 isn't that easy, so wouldn't try. I think Roger has already looked into this, so would be worth giving him a call. If you go down that road a new accessory drive kit (minus aircon) is around £600+delivery+duties from Jegs. Don't forget that you'll need the intercooler pump, pipes, wiring and radiator.

Most guys in the US simply fit the LSA charger onto their LS2/3. There's plenty of threads on the subject on US forums. There's also a company dedicated to selling parts for this conversion. The charger fits with minor mods to the firewall area (same would be true of an LSA). The Gen-f has a taller bonnet and lower engine mounts, so needs no mods.

Bear in mind that while technically superior in a number of ways (slightly stronger heads, oil squirters cooling the pistons, forged crank and rods), the pistons still aren't forged. A better design maybe, but not forged.

If you go down this road, you'll be pioneering the conversion in the UK. I don't reckon it'll end up much cheaper than just slapping a TVS Heartbeat onto your motor.

That said, it would be fun...

ArnieVXR

2,449 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Just read the post before mine. Interesting...

Prices? Build thread?

ARAF

20,759 posts

229 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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ArnieVXR said:
Just read the post before mine. Interesting...

Prices? Build thread?
I think Monkfish have done a two or three now, and Raving also sourced some engines from Oz, so may have helped with installations?

ArnieVXR

2,449 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Two or three and no one's posted on the forum frown

When I bought an LSA charger for an LS1, Roger told me he'd looked at fitting LSAs to VXR8s and found that there were a number of technical issues. Be interesting to see how they were overcome.

Update: My LS1/LSA build is delayed due to never ending work commitments, so the charger is still on the shelf. I'm currently snowed-in in New York, which is fun (not).

mikeyb1987

2,358 posts

160 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Didn't PhillW have an LSA?

raving

1,183 posts

196 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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ArnieVXR said:
Two or three and no one's posted on the forum frown

When I bought an LSA charger for an LS1, Roger told me he'd looked at fitting LSAs to VXR8s and found that there were a number of technical issues. Be interesting to see how they were overcome.

Update: My LS1/LSA build is delayed due to never ending work commitments, so the charger is still on the shelf. I'm currently snowed-in in New York, which is fun (not).
Andrew did you get my text ?

Send me an email if texting a prob gazfm@aol.com

ARAF

20,759 posts

229 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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ArnieVXR said:
Two or three and no one's posted on the forum frown

When I bought an LSA charger for an LS1, Roger told me he'd looked at fitting LSAs to VXR8s and found that there were a number of technical issues. Be interesting to see how they were overcome.

Update: My LS1/LSA build is delayed due to never ending work commitments, so the charger is still on the shelf. I'm currently snowed-in in New York, which is fun (not).
I think that was from when he was doing PhilW's car - which had a CTS LSA engine. After the GenFs arrived, and Roger had a nose around the engine bay, he realised there were differences in the Aussie engines.

As for nothing written here, there have been a few mentions, but no detailed write-up. Unfortunately there are so many knockers that I don't think some can be bothered with sharing their knowledge for it just to be rubbished.

speed4u

443 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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The GTS LSA is the easier fit.

raving

1,183 posts

196 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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ARAF said:
I think Monkfish have done a two or three now, and Raving also sourced some engines from Oz, so may have helped with installations?
A Vf is a Ve with different front & Rear ends , for all the charge cooler mounts etc you could use Hsv Vf as the frame is nearly exactly the same & it bolts to the front of it & use most of vf hoses to do a proper factory looking job

You could put the whole vf front cradle under with all the ally bits etc also with small amount of work , none of it is hard its just knowing what fits what & I ve had a vf down to a bone

moif

1,331 posts

166 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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ARAF said:
ArnieVXR said:
Two or three and no one's posted on the forum frown

When I bought an LSA charger for an LS1, Roger told me he'd looked at fitting LSAs to VXR8s and found that there were a number of technical issues. Be interesting to see how they were overcome.

Update: My LS1/LSA build is delayed due to never ending work commitments, so the charger is still on the shelf. I'm currently snowed-in in New York, which is fun (not).
I think that was from when he was doing PhilW's car - which had a CTS LSA engine. After the GenFs arrived, and Roger had a nose around the engine bay, he realised there were differences in the Aussie engines.

As for nothing written here, there have been a few mentions, but no detailed write-up. Unfortunately there are so many knockers that I don't think some can be bothered with sharing their knowledge for it just to be rubbished.
Basically Araf your correct its stopped me for sure
But heres mine anyway

ArnieVXR

2,449 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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ARAF said:
I think that was from when he was doing PhilW's car - which had a CTS LSA engine. After the GenFs arrived, and Roger had a nose around the engine bay, he realised there were differences in the Aussie engines.

As for nothing written here, there have been a few mentions, but no detailed write-up. Unfortunately there are so many knockers that I don't think some can be bothered with sharing their knowledge for it just to be rubbished.
Ah I see, makes sense then. We need to get Roger on here to go over what's needed...

As for knockers (avoiding the obvious Carry-On film joker opportunity), that's a shame.


ArnieVXR

2,449 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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moif said:
But heres mine anyway
That looks fantastic, as if it's an OEM fit. What level of boost are you running and how does it drive?

ArnieVXR

2,449 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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raving said:
Andrew did you get my text ?
I've been working in the US for several weeks now. I'll be back mid-February. I want to swap out a few parts on that stroker engine before figuring out what to do with it. Tempted to sell my projects and just buy Gen-F...don't have time with the new job.

R8VXF

6,788 posts

121 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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moif said:
Basically Araf your correct its stopped me for sure
But heres mine anyway
Why the Magnusson plate though?

moif

1,331 posts

166 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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ArnieVXR said:
moif said:
But heres mine anyway
That looks fantastic, as if it's an OEM fit. What level of boost are you running and how does it drive?
We tried 15 but was suffering belt slip,so at the moment its running 10 till the the 10 rib kit arrives
It drives fantastic,the torque is immense and so smooth

moif

1,331 posts

166 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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R8VXF said:
moif said:
Basically Araf your correct its stopped me for sure
But heres mine anyway
Why the Magnusson plate though?
Cos that was on from before and hadnt took it off before i took photo
You will be pleased to know it has now been removed to stop the confusion