HP or EFI live

[DRC72]

Given that my Walky map is done on HP would it be best for me to get one of those are is EFI live a better option.

What are the differences with these tuning tools.

[ARAF]

I've not gone into it, but I don't know who supports HP Tuners in the UK, yet Ringram is always very helpful for EFILive.

However, as you say, Walkinshaw have tuned yours with HP, and Monkfish also use HP Tuners, so whilst either tool will read the other, once one has been used, the other won't be able to amend tables - you will have to flash in a new tune, and play with that.

Difficult decision. I guess it depends on how much you want to play, and how much you will be leaving to the above garages and their inclusive packages.

[R8VXF]

I always thought Walky used EFI and Monkfish HP.

I have EFILive and it is very easy (for me as a techy) to use. And Ringram is very helpful.

[DRC72]

R8VXF said:

I always thought Walky used EFI and Monkfish HP.

I have EFILive and it is very easy (for me as a techy) to use. And Ringram is very helpful.

Paul aka banana man told me walkinshaw use HP and they used HP to tune his.

I will drop Dave an email and find out what mine was done with.

[ARAF]

R8VXF said:

I always thought Walky used EFI and Monkfish HP.

I have EFILive and it is very easy (for me as a techy) to use. And Ringram is very helpful.

I don't think so. From what I understand, the WP tunes are HPT and e-mailed from WP Oz.

[R8VXF]

ARAF said:

I don't think so. From what I understand, the WP tunes are HPT and e-mailed from WP Oz.

Bound to be sent from Oz either way. WPUK have been st with any help I have asked for. They still have not remanufactured the W507 Exhaust after nearly a year of saying it was in testing.

[ARAF]

R8VXF said:

ARAF said:

I don't think so. From what I understand, the WP tunes are HPT and e-mailed from WP Oz.

Bound to be sent from Oz either way. WPUK have been st with any help I have asked for. They still have not remanufactured the W507 Exhaust after nearly a year of saying it was in testing.

Have you been to see them?

My guess is that they are waiting for Oz - who probably don't look on a UK customer as being top priority (unless his surname is Walkinshaw).

Have you thought about changing your name?

[R8VXF]

ARAF said:

Have you been to see them?

My guess is that they are waiting for Oz - who probably don't look on a UK customer as being top priority (unless his surname is Walkinshaw).

Have you thought about changing your name?

Nope, James said they were remanufacturing it in Stainless steel for the UK market due to rust etc. Why would I travel to them when their responses via email have been awful? Would have been visiting them tomorrow for my annual service had it not been for the fact Vauxhall actually treat me with respect unlike Walky!

[ARAF]

R8VXF said:

ARAF said:

Have you been to see them?

My guess is that they are waiting for Oz - who probably don't look on a UK customer as being top priority (unless his surname is Walkinshaw).

Have you thought about changing your name?

Nope, James said they were remanufacturing it in Stainless steel for the UK market due to rust etc. Why would I travel to them when their responses via email have been awful? Would have been visiting them tomorrow for my annual service had it not been for the fact Vauxhall actually treat me with respect unlike Walky!

The dreaded e-mail. Worse than forums for getting the measure of someone.

Small businesses are run by people. They're often enthusiasts for their product. See if you can arrange a time to go and have a cuppa and discuss what you want.

[pah250]

ARAF said:

...so whilst either tool will read the other, once one has been used, the other won't be able to amend tables - you will have to flash in a new tune, and play with that.

This is not the case. Mine has been mapped with HP tuners by WP over the years. Then this summer ringram used EFI to remove my speed limiter while we were in Sweden. WP have them since further tweaked my map using HP tuners.

It might be a different story if using a custom OS on the ECU, or if the map has been locked.

[ARAF]

pah250 said:

ARAF said:

...so whilst either tool will read the other, once one has been used, the other won't be able to amend tables - you will have to flash in a new tune, and play with that.

This is not the case. Mine has been mapped with HP tuners by WP over the years. Then this summer ringram used EFI to remove my speed limiter while we were in Sweden. WP have them since further tweaked my map using HP tuners.

Maybe your tune isn't a full re-write, like The Ron has, and I know Ringram couldn't read his.

[pah250]

ARAF said:

pah250 said:

ARAF said:

...so whilst either tool will read the other, once one has been used, the other won't be able to amend tables - you will have to flash in a new tune, and play with that.

This is not the case. Mine has been mapped with HP tuners by WP over the years. Then this summer ringram used EFI to remove my speed limiter while we were in Sweden. WP have them since further tweaked my map using HP tuners.

Maybe your tune isn't a full re-write, like The Ron has, and I know Ringram couldn't read his.

I think the full re-write is a custom OS. My tune is a calibration only, i.e. just changing the mappings in the tables on the ECU, but not changing the actual operating system that runs on the ECU.

I understand that most tunes are calibration only. You'd only change the OS if you needed something outside of what the ECU's own OS is capable of.

I purchased the full HP tuners suite a few months back and I'm trying to learn bits where I can, just out of idle interest.... and OMG it's a hell of a steep learning curve, but very interesting all the same

[ARAF]

pah250 said:

ARAF said:

pah250 said:

ARAF said:

...so whilst either tool will read the other, once one has been used, the other won't be able to amend tables - you will have to flash in a new tune, and play with that.

This is not the case. Mine has been mapped with HP tuners by WP over the years. Then this summer ringram used EFI to remove my speed limiter while we were in Sweden. WP have them since further tweaked my map using HP tuners.

Maybe your tune isn't a full re-write, like The Ron has, and I know Ringram couldn't read his.

I think the full re-write is a custom OS. My tune is a calibration only, i.e. just changing the mappings in the tables on the ECU, but not changing the actual operating system that runs on the ECU.

I understand that most tunes are calibration only. You'd only change the OS if you needed something outside of what the ECU's own OS is capable of.

I purchased the full HP tuners suite a few months back and I'm trying to learn bits where I can, just out of idle interest.... and OMG it's a hell of a steep learning curve, but very interesting all the same

That's the kiddo.


In that case, Dale can go with either, I guess.

[neiljohnson]

R8VXF said:

Nope, James said they were remanufacturing it in Stainless steel for the UK market due to rust etc. Why would I travel to them when their responses via email have been awful? Would have been visiting them tomorrow for my annual service had it not been for the fact Vauxhall actually treat me with respect unlike Walky!

If you want an exhaust you only have to ask the right people 😉

[R8VXF]

neiljohnson said:

If you want an exhaust you only have to ask the right people ??

Missing the point there a bit Neil Was more customer service thing. I have to communicate via email as I do not get signal in my office and have no landline. Which reminds me Longlife didn't get back to me either. Gonna wait to hear Bart's exhaust to see what I think of his No hurry though.

[DRC72]

ARAF said:

pah250 said:

ARAF said:

pah250 said:

ARAF said:

...so whilst either tool will read the other, once one has been used, the other won't be able to amend tables - you will have to flash in a new tune, and play with that.

This is not the case. Mine has been mapped with HP tuners by WP over the years. Then this summer ringram used EFI to remove my speed limiter while we were in Sweden. WP have them since further tweaked my map using HP tuners.

Maybe your tune isn't a full re-write, like The Ron has, and I know Ringram couldn't read his.

I think the full re-write is a custom OS. My tune is a calibration only, i.e. just changing the mappings in the tables on the ECU, but not changing the actual operating system that runs on the ECU.

I understand that most tunes are calibration only. You'd only change the OS if you needed something outside of what the ECU's own OS is capable of.

I purchased the full HP tuners suite a few months back and I'm trying to learn bits where I can, just out of idle interest.... and OMG it's a hell of a steep learning curve, but very interesting all the same

That's the kiddo.


In that case, Dale can go with either, I guess.

I will give them a call on Monday and if it is not locked I will look to get the HP.

[neiljohnson]

R8VXF said:

Missing the point there a bit Neil Was more customer service thing. I have to communicate via email as I do not get signal in my office and have no landline. Which reminds me Longlife didn't get back to me either. Gonna wait to hear Bart's exhaust to see what I think of his No hurry though.

Don't want to break any rules so I'll message you on Facebook

[Tattooboy]

As there seems to be a bit of WPUK bashing on this thread I'll balance the argument up by saying ive had absolutely no problems with either Dave or Tim, always been very helpful.

Yes they are a little slow in responding to e-mails but give them a call and they can't do more to help you out.

[R8VXF]

Tattooboy said:

As there seems to be a bit of WPUK bashing on this thread I'll balance the argument up by saying ive had absolutely no problems with either Dave or Tim, always been very helpful.

Yes they are a little slow in responding to e-mails but give them a call and they can't do more to help you out.

See above, I cant call them.

[MyM8V8]

DRC72 said:

I will give them a call on Monday and if it is not locked I will look to get the HP.

I have both and must say Efilive is much more intuitive, although I think most of their development work these days is diesel and not petrol related.