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Hi can any one advise please , I've taken off the original 20 inch rims off the Maloo and Ian has kindly sorted out some 19 inch for me , the car has tyre pressure sensors and as the wheels are no longer on the car is showing a dash error , which is on all the time , is it easy to swap the tps out of the 20 inch wheels to the 19 , on the plus side handling is a lot better now
Assuming you're talking about the OEM tyre pressure monitor system, then I bet it's the same as the one on my E3 GTS. In which case it does matter which wheel goes on which hub. The car can't detect which wheel is where and so you have to tell the car if you switch wheels around.
It's dead easy to do. I've done it on my E3 GTS with the 20" OEM alloys with built in pressure sensors and it works perfectly. The process is below (I found this on a US Pontiac G8 forum). Make sure you do this with an air machine nearby as you need to partially deflate the tyres.
Useful if you have two sets of wheels and need to swap them over, or if you have switched/replaced any of your tyre pressure sensors. I have successfully tested this on my E3 VXR8 GTS. I believe this also applies to the E2 and its Pontiac derivatives (information taken from a US Pontiac forum).
IMPORTANT: Before you begin ensure that you check the following:
- Ensure that you are you near an air-line or have some way of re-inflating your tyres. The process below involves significantly deflating all four tyres.
- Ensure that all four tyres are fully inflated before you begin (it doesn't matter what the tyre pressures are to start with, just so long as there is plenty of air in all four tyres)
- Ensure that the indicator stalk is in its centre (OFF) position and that the hazard lights are OFF. This process uses the indicator lamps and so they must not already be in use before you begin.
1) Remove the dust caps from all four wheels. You need to be quick later on else the learn process can time out.
2) Start with the ignition OFF. Then turn the ignition switch to ON with engine OFF.
3) Press and hold the key fob lock and unlock buttons at the same time. I found this bit awkward to get right the first time. If you've got it right, after about five seconds the horn will chirp two times. This signals that the car is now in TPMS learn mode and the car is ready to rediscover the pressure sensors on all four wheels.
4) Walk around the outside of the car and you should notice that one of the four corner indicator lamps is illuminated (but not flashing). This indicates which tyre pressure sensor the car is ready to learn.
5) Start to continuously deflate the tyre indicated. Continue to deflate the tyre until you hear the horn chirp. This will involve removing quite a lot of air from the tyre.
6) When the horn chirps, this indicates that the tyre pressure sensor in this tyre has been learned and matched to its hub. Stop deflating. DO NOT re-inflate just yet. All four tyres must be learned before re-inflating else you will confuse the process.
7) The illuminated corner indicator lamp will now have moved onto the next wheel to be learned. Repeat steps 4), 5) and 6) until all four tyres have been learned.
8) After the last tyre pressure sensor has been learned the horn should chirp twice to indicate that the sensor matching process is complete. The corner indicator lamps should also now all be off.
9) Turn the ignition switch OFF. The learn process is now complete.
10) Re-inflate all four tyres to the correct pressure and replace dust caps.
Notes:
- There is a time out for each tyre sensor to be learned by, so don't hang about while you're going through the above.
- If you do run out of time on one of the wheels, or if there is a problem with a sensor, you can stop the process and start over again by turning the ignition key to OFF. You'll need to re-inflate all the tyres again before you begin.
- Instead of deflating the tyres at step 5), you can apparently also do the reverse and inflate the tyres and the car will still be able to detect which sensor it needs to match to that hub. The problem with this however is that you don't know how long the car will take to learn the wheel and so you risk over inflating the tyre. Best to start with fully inflated tyres, deflate during step 5) and then re-inflate to the correct pressure once all four are learned.
It's dead easy to do. I've done it on my E3 GTS with the 20" OEM alloys with built in pressure sensors and it works perfectly. The process is below (I found this on a US Pontiac G8 forum). Make sure you do this with an air machine nearby as you need to partially deflate the tyres.
How to get the HSV Tyre Pressure Monitor System (TPMS) to re-learn which sensor is on which wheel
Useful if you have two sets of wheels and need to swap them over, or if you have switched/replaced any of your tyre pressure sensors. I have successfully tested this on my E3 VXR8 GTS. I believe this also applies to the E2 and its Pontiac derivatives (information taken from a US Pontiac forum).
IMPORTANT: Before you begin ensure that you check the following:
- Ensure that you are you near an air-line or have some way of re-inflating your tyres. The process below involves significantly deflating all four tyres.
- Ensure that all four tyres are fully inflated before you begin (it doesn't matter what the tyre pressures are to start with, just so long as there is plenty of air in all four tyres)
- Ensure that the indicator stalk is in its centre (OFF) position and that the hazard lights are OFF. This process uses the indicator lamps and so they must not already be in use before you begin.
1) Remove the dust caps from all four wheels. You need to be quick later on else the learn process can time out.
2) Start with the ignition OFF. Then turn the ignition switch to ON with engine OFF.
3) Press and hold the key fob lock and unlock buttons at the same time. I found this bit awkward to get right the first time. If you've got it right, after about five seconds the horn will chirp two times. This signals that the car is now in TPMS learn mode and the car is ready to rediscover the pressure sensors on all four wheels.
4) Walk around the outside of the car and you should notice that one of the four corner indicator lamps is illuminated (but not flashing). This indicates which tyre pressure sensor the car is ready to learn.
5) Start to continuously deflate the tyre indicated. Continue to deflate the tyre until you hear the horn chirp. This will involve removing quite a lot of air from the tyre.
6) When the horn chirps, this indicates that the tyre pressure sensor in this tyre has been learned and matched to its hub. Stop deflating. DO NOT re-inflate just yet. All four tyres must be learned before re-inflating else you will confuse the process.
7) The illuminated corner indicator lamp will now have moved onto the next wheel to be learned. Repeat steps 4), 5) and 6) until all four tyres have been learned.
8) After the last tyre pressure sensor has been learned the horn should chirp twice to indicate that the sensor matching process is complete. The corner indicator lamps should also now all be off.
9) Turn the ignition switch OFF. The learn process is now complete.
10) Re-inflate all four tyres to the correct pressure and replace dust caps.
Notes:
- There is a time out for each tyre sensor to be learned by, so don't hang about while you're going through the above.
- If you do run out of time on one of the wheels, or if there is a problem with a sensor, you can stop the process and start over again by turning the ignition key to OFF. You'll need to re-inflate all the tyres again before you begin.
- Instead of deflating the tyres at step 5), you can apparently also do the reverse and inflate the tyres and the car will still be able to detect which sensor it needs to match to that hub. The problem with this however is that you don't know how long the car will take to learn the wheel and so you risk over inflating the tyre. Best to start with fully inflated tyres, deflate during step 5) and then re-inflate to the correct pressure once all four are learned.
Edited by pah250 on Sunday 29th June 17:47
pah250 said:
Assuming you're talking about the OEM tyre pressure monitor system, then I bet it's the same as the one on my E3 GTS. In which case it does matter which wheel goes on which hub. The car can't detect which wheel is where and so you have to tell the car if you switch wheels around.
It's dead easy to do. I've done it on my E3 GTS with the 20" OEM alloys with built in pressure sensors and it works perfectly. The process is below (I found this on a US Pontiac G8 forum). Make sure you do this with an air machine nearby as you need to partially deflate the tyres.
The TPMS Matching Process
1. Set the parking brake.
2. Turn the ignition switch to ON with engine OFF.
3. Press and hold the Remote Keyless Entry [RKE] transmitters lock and unlock buttons at the same time, for about five seconds to start the TPMS learn mode. The horn churps two times indicating the TPMS receiver is ready and in learn mode.
4. Start allways with the passenger side front tyre [ L/H front for AUS]. The L/H side front indicator lamp also comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned.
5. Remove the valve cap from the tyres valve stem. Activate the TPMS sensor by decreasing or increasing the tyres air pressure for about eight seconds. The horn churps one time to confirm the sensor identification code has been matched to the tyre/wheel position.
6. The L/H side front indicator turns off and the R/H side front indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned. Proceed to the R/H side front tyre and repeat the Step 5.
7. The R/H side front indicator lamp turns off and the R/H side rear indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned. Proceed to the R/H side rear tyre and repeat the procedure in step 5.
8. The R/H rear side indicator turns off and the L/H side rear indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned. Proceed to the L/H side rear tyre, and repeat the procedure in Step 5.
9. After the L/H side rear TPMS sensor has been learned the horn chirps two times. The L/H side rear indicator lamp turns off and the TPMS sensor matching process is done. Turn the ignition switch OFF.
If no tyres are learned after entering the TPMS learn mode, or if communication with the receiver stops, or if the time limit has expired, turn the ignition switch to Off and start over, beginning with Step 2.
10. Set all four tyres to the recommended air pressure level.
11. Put the valve caps back on the valve stems.
It's dead easy to do. I've done it on my E3 GTS with the 20" OEM alloys with built in pressure sensors and it works perfectly. The process is below (I found this on a US Pontiac G8 forum). Make sure you do this with an air machine nearby as you need to partially deflate the tyres.
The TPMS Matching Process
1. Set the parking brake.
2. Turn the ignition switch to ON with engine OFF.
3. Press and hold the Remote Keyless Entry [RKE] transmitters lock and unlock buttons at the same time, for about five seconds to start the TPMS learn mode. The horn churps two times indicating the TPMS receiver is ready and in learn mode.
4. Start allways with the passenger side front tyre [ L/H front for AUS]. The L/H side front indicator lamp also comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned.
5. Remove the valve cap from the tyres valve stem. Activate the TPMS sensor by decreasing or increasing the tyres air pressure for about eight seconds. The horn churps one time to confirm the sensor identification code has been matched to the tyre/wheel position.
6. The L/H side front indicator turns off and the R/H side front indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned. Proceed to the R/H side front tyre and repeat the Step 5.
7. The R/H side front indicator lamp turns off and the R/H side rear indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned. Proceed to the R/H side rear tyre and repeat the procedure in step 5.
8. The R/H rear side indicator turns off and the L/H side rear indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned. Proceed to the L/H side rear tyre, and repeat the procedure in Step 5.
9. After the L/H side rear TPMS sensor has been learned the horn chirps two times. The L/H side rear indicator lamp turns off and the TPMS sensor matching process is done. Turn the ignition switch OFF.
If no tyres are learned after entering the TPMS learn mode, or if communication with the receiver stops, or if the time limit has expired, turn the ignition switch to Off and start over, beginning with Step 2.
10. Set all four tyres to the recommended air pressure level.
11. Put the valve caps back on the valve stems.
great info, this needs to go in the FAQ's !!The Pontiac GXP and GT both had 19 inch wheels. A lot of the HSV cars had 19 inch wheels. There is about 12 pages of stuff on it in the G8 workshop manual but no mention of how to switch it off. Does mention the info included in the post by pah250 which looks a lot cheaper than buying the fancy tool to do it.
vxr2010 said:
Cheers for above replies , is the tps part of the 20 inch wheels or can it be refitted on 19 inch wheels? And can the car tps system be turned off if the sensors are not transferable ?
The TPMS sensors that go inside the 20" wheels can be installed in the standard 19" wheels. The above learning process can then be used to 'sync' the car to the new sensors in the 19" wheels.But I don't know if there is any way of enabling the TPMS system within the car its self if it wasn't enabled at the factory.
Edited by pah250 on Friday 20th June 13:44
pah250 said:
vxr2010 said:
Cheers for above replies , is the tps part of the 20 inch wheels or can it be refitted on 19 inch wheels? And can the car tps system be turned off if the sensors are not transferable ?
The TPMS sensors that go inside the 20" wheels can be installed in the standard 19" wheels. The above learning process can then be used to 'sync' the car to the new sensors in the 19" wheels.But I don't know if there is any way of enabling the TPMS system within the car its self if it wasn't enabled at the factory.
Maybe Sarge knows how the sensors are fitted in the wheels?
ARAF said:
pah250 said:
vxr2010 said:
Cheers for above replies , is the tps part of the 20 inch wheels or can it be refitted on 19 inch wheels? And can the car tps system be turned off if the sensors are not transferable ?
The TPMS sensors that go inside the 20" wheels can be installed in the standard 19" wheels. The above learning process can then be used to 'sync' the car to the new sensors in the 19" wheels.But I don't know if there is any way of enabling the TPMS system within the car its self if it wasn't enabled at the factory.
Maybe Sarge knows how the sensors are fitted in the wheels?
I looked into disabling the TPMS on the car a while back when I removed my 20s and put 19s on for the winter, but I was unsuccessful. So, instead I purchased another set of pressure sensors to go inside the 19s so now I just have to go through the re-learn process when I swap the wheels over.
pah250 said:
Ahh, that changes things. The sensors can be switched out of the 20" HSV wheels into 19" HSV wheels, or a second set of sensors can be purchased to go inside 19" HSV wheels and then use the re-learn process. But I don't know if the sensors will fit in non-HSV wheels. The sensors only cost about £25 each so it wouldn’t be too expensive to buy one and try it out.
I looked into disabling the TPMS on the car a while back when I removed my 20s and put 19s on for the winter, but I was unsuccessful. So, instead I purchased another set of pressure sensors to go inside the 19s so now I just have to go through the re-learn process when I swap the wheels over.
So, do the sensors strap into the well of the wheel?I looked into disabling the TPMS on the car a while back when I removed my 20s and put 19s on for the winter, but I was unsuccessful. So, instead I purchased another set of pressure sensors to go inside the 19s so now I just have to go through the re-learn process when I swap the wheels over.
ARAF said:
So, do the sensors strap into the well of the wheel?
From memory I think the sensors are an extension of the valve inside the wheel. The actual sensor/transmitter/battery bit is about the size of a finger and connects perpendicularly to the bottom of the valve. Not sure if it affixes to the alloy, but it certainly needs room or a recess built around the valve hole inside the alloy.Just had a quick look about and found the below which from looking at the picture looks like the ones I purchased from Walkinshaw.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HSV-VE-WM-Tyre-Pressure...
pah250 said:
Just had a quick look about and found the below which from looking at the picture looks like the ones I purchased from Walkinshaw.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HSV-VE-WM-Tyre-Pressure...
That sticker on the black side says 'Made In UK' http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HSV-VE-WM-Tyre-Pressure...
ARAF said:
pah250 said:
Just had a quick look about and found the below which from looking at the picture looks like the ones I purchased from Walkinshaw.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HSV-VE-WM-Tyre-Pressure...
That sticker on the black side says 'Made In UK' http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HSV-VE-WM-Tyre-Pressure...
This one looks similar, and saves a bit....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-2009-OE...
I guess you either have to check part numbers, or at least the frequency that they transmit on?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-2009-OE...
I guess you either have to check part numbers, or at least the frequency that they transmit on?
ARAF said:
This one looks similar, and saves a bit....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-2009-OE...
I guess you either have to check part numbers, or at least the frequency that they transmit on?
Looks about right. But as Walkinshaw sell them for about that price may as well get them from Walkinshaw and remove all doubt about being the right part etc.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-2009-OE...
I guess you either have to check part numbers, or at least the frequency that they transmit on?
pah250 said:
ARAF said:
This one looks similar, and saves a bit....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-2009-OE...
I guess you either have to check part numbers, or at least the frequency that they transmit on?
Looks about right. But as Walkinshaw sell them for about that price may as well get them from Walkinshaw and remove all doubt about being the right part etc.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-2009-OE...
I guess you either have to check part numbers, or at least the frequency that they transmit on?
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