Monaro brake pipes
Discussion
Just replaced front to back pipes after MOT adviser. There was what looked like surface corrosion on the bend just down from the ABS unit before it straightens and runs along the chassis leg. Once off the car the pipe failed very easily as it was almost corroded through ! Replaced the rears as well in view of this. Complete b*****d of a job but glad its done. Anyone else had this problem ?
AT the last service was advised my brake pipes are in poor condition. Booked in to have them done of the morning before MOT in the afternoon as potential fail. Any advantages of braided pipes, they are on the Monkfish website but are not cheap. Any recommendations?
I use my car as a daily driver and dont drive it hard .. well not much anyway so am considering of the extra expense is worth it. Always believed in having best brakes and tyres you can afford though, you only have to really need them once for them to be worth every penny.
I use my car as a daily driver and dont drive it hard .. well not much anyway so am considering of the extra expense is worth it. Always believed in having best brakes and tyres you can afford though, you only have to really need them once for them to be worth every penny.
I don't know which pipes you guys mean. And I don't have any hands on time with the Monaro's. But...
The solid brake lines aren't usually braided - they are usually just solid copper pipes. And a royal pain if you have to change them. And worse if you have to bend your own... The flexible hoses however, ARE worth having braided lines. All high-performance cars and bikes will use some description of braided lines. Tells you something, no?
They expand much less than kevlar, have better heat dissipation properties, are more abrasion resistant, and of course, look blingy
IMO, it's worth upgrading, if you are changing anyway. It's hardly a completely frivolous purchase... Just my $0.02
The solid brake lines aren't usually braided - they are usually just solid copper pipes. And a royal pain if you have to change them. And worse if you have to bend your own... The flexible hoses however, ARE worth having braided lines. All high-performance cars and bikes will use some description of braided lines. Tells you something, no?
They expand much less than kevlar, have better heat dissipation properties, are more abrasion resistant, and of course, look blingy
IMO, it's worth upgrading, if you are changing anyway. It's hardly a completely frivolous purchase... Just my $0.02
Chaz9950 said:
monkfish1 said:
Sadly, this is starting to become common.
Which pipes fail? (I ask, not only for the benefit of others on the forum, but I'll be hunting a Monaro out in a few months - all good info to know!)
Basically, all the rigid steel brake lines. even had one fail in the workshop. Customer said the brakes felt poor. Backed it into the workshop, braked, and, well, nothing happened. Pedal straight to the floor!!! Pipe had rotted through under the rubber mount on the side of the chassis rail. It was losing fluid every application. Just happened to run out entirely when i wanted it to stop!!
monkfish1 said:
Basically, all the rigid steel brake lines. even had one fail in the workshop. Customer said the brakes felt poor. Backed it into the workshop, braked, and, well, nothing happened. Pedal straight to the floor!!! Pipe had rotted through under the rubber mount on the side of the chassis rail. It was losing fluid every application. Just happened to run out entirely when i wanted it to stop!!
Bloody hell...! He was SERIOUSLY lucky!I guess there are up-graded lines available?
monkfish1 said:
Chaz9950 said:
monkfish1 said:
Sadly, this is starting to become common.
Which pipes fail? (I ask, not only for the benefit of others on the forum, but I'll be hunting a Monaro out in a few months - all good info to know!)
If one wanted to relocate the ABS unit (lets not worry about where just yet), how much of the existing line would need to be replaced?
Are there any useable joins that would allow existing lines to be re-used (say those that run to the back for example...)? Or is it worth just doing it all at once if they're a weak point anyway?
Are there any useable joins that would allow existing lines to be re-used (say those that run to the back for example...)? Or is it worth just doing it all at once if they're a weak point anyway?
Wow - I must check mine out to see what condition they are in.
Would copper pipes be any better than steel ones, and can the section mentioned above be partially replaced or does it require a complete (front to back) pipe replacement?
Surprised that a single pipe failure causes total loss of brakes - aren't they dual systems in the Monaro, or is it simply due to loss of fluids?
Another thing to keep an eye on in these cars. :S
Would copper pipes be any better than steel ones, and can the section mentioned above be partially replaced or does it require a complete (front to back) pipe replacement?
Surprised that a single pipe failure causes total loss of brakes - aren't they dual systems in the Monaro, or is it simply due to loss of fluids?
Another thing to keep an eye on in these cars. :S
No point just keeping an eye on it.... Pro-activity required! I spray mine with waxoyl as part of the annual waxoyling, and they look as good as new - Well, that is after you scrape the 1/4" of wax off them to see whats underneath! 
This includes chasing the pipes with a sprayer made out of flexible tubing, everywhere they disappear behind channels and other obstructions. Finding that they are corroded after all that would be most disappointing!
This includes chasing the pipes with a sprayer made out of flexible tubing, everywhere they disappear behind channels and other obstructions. Finding that they are corroded after all that would be most disappointing!
Just checked under the bonnet and the lines around the ABS unit and down to the rubber mount are nice and clean. My car has only done 21k miles though. Not had a good look at the rubber mount so not sure if it's been trapping moisture there.
The plastic clips keeping the pipes spaced neatly/apart seem to be a bit loose though...
Is there any uprated pipes (more corrode resistant ones) and/or clips available if needs be? Must get some vasoline/wax oil and give it a good going over.
The plastic clips keeping the pipes spaced neatly/apart seem to be a bit loose though...
Is there any uprated pipes (more corrode resistant ones) and/or clips available if needs be? Must get some vasoline/wax oil and give it a good going over.
Just replaced brake pipes, although there was a little corrosion where the pipes turn under the floor, this could have been cleaned up and waxoyled. The horror was inside the rubber mounting blocks (see pic) it was so thin it just snapped !!!
Now replaced with Kunifer (Cupro-Nickel) which will last for ever. The rears were done in one piece with subframe on, just formed bends in the front section that runs down the bulkhead, leaving the rest straight. Then threaded it throught engine bay, under car and over subframe. Then went along length putting correct bends in.
Now replaced with Kunifer (Cupro-Nickel) which will last for ever. The rears were done in one piece with subframe on, just formed bends in the front section that runs down the bulkhead, leaving the rest straight. Then threaded it throught engine bay, under car and over subframe. Then went along length putting correct bends in.
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