Predicting oil pressure drop

Predicting oil pressure drop

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jmorgan

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36,010 posts

291 months

Monday 1st September 2003
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Just a question


Oil or rather the lack of pressure should something go wrong whilst driving. Some sort of warning needed. Now, whilst driving, my eye's are rarely off the gauge but how much time does it take to do the damage? I did ask once about a pizzo buzzer off the oil light but was pointed out that would be too late.

So is there a way to predict, using the existing or maybe and after market device. Something that uses the pressure so that if it drops too quickly an alarm sounds? Not relying on the actual pressure but rate of decent? Or am I worrying too much?

And in answer to "you are worring too much" if a solution is realisticly obtainable I am interested.

deltaf

6,806 posts

260 months

Monday 1st September 2003
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Couldnt you use a pressure sensor to give an alarm if it drops to a predetermined level?
Say your normal hot oil pressure at idle is 30psi, set the sensor to 22-25 to trigger an alarm.
Some electronics whizz on here could most likely help you out.

pies

13,116 posts

263 months

Monday 1st September 2003
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A straight forward pressure switch would work connect to bulb/buzzer but where abouts to connect i dont know sorry

your panicking far too much though

jmorgan

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36,010 posts

291 months

Monday 1st September 2003
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pies said:


your panicking far too much though


Just trying to look after my investment

deltaf, along those lines I was thinking of.

Piece of mind for a few squids is all I am after. Back up to the peepers that may be looking elsewhere at the time. I am not that paranoid about it but if its available at a reasonable cost.....?

dontlift

9,396 posts

265 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2003
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These are the boys, used by many a racer......



www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/dualguages.htm

KDNGRIFF

23 posts

262 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2003
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If I remember correctly, most standard oil pressure switches operate the warning light at about 5-10 psi.
This is generally too low to save any damage at high revs.You can get higher pressure switches (about 20psi)that race cars sometimes use in conjunction with a bl**dy great big warning light! I guess this could be wired to an audible alarm instead. The only downside with the RV8 engine is that the low(normal)pressure at tickover could well activate the switch/alarm everytime you come to halt. This could end up being very annoying!! Try the Think Automotive website.

shpub

8,507 posts

279 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2003
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Wire a buzzer/big LED to the oil pressure switch. Either blinds or deafens you but at least you notice it.

GreenV8S

30,484 posts

291 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2003
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I went for one large ultrabright LED, one large ultrabright flashing LED and a very loud buzzer. In the heat of the moment it takes a lot to get my attention when I'm chucking the car around! Has helped my spot transient oil surge on a couple of occasions (now cured by a fully baffled flap valve sump, but it's nice to know the warning system is still there).

jmorgan

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36,010 posts

291 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2003
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Lamp and a buzzer then.....Thanks all.


:-offtomaplins:

>> Edited by jmorgan on Wednesday 3rd September 09:17

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

258 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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I bought a 25 psi switch from Mocal and hooked it up to a big orange light. Cheap, and effective.

KDNGRIFF

23 posts

262 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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Flicking through a Demon Tweeks catalogue last night, I see they do an adjustable pressure switch(15-65 psi)so you could adjust it to just above your hot tickover psi to avoid unwanted flashes/beeps.

jmorgan

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36,010 posts

291 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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I'll go along the light and buzzer route for the moment. Easy to do and have a better look at the other option's sugested here. Like the gauge but I want to keep the dash as it is. DTweeks, have to give them a call for a new cat and have a good look. Cheers all.

chrisj

517 posts

262 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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I heard of someone rigging their car up so that in the event of loss of oil pressure, the signal that lights up the oil pressure warning light activated an ignition kill switch, so it stopped the engine in time.
Electrics react quicker than humans, so it seems like a good idea.

dontlift

9,396 posts

265 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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chrisj said:
I heard of someone rigging their car up so that in the event of loss of oil pressure, the signal that lights up the oil pressure warning light activated an ignition kill switch, so it stopped the engine in time.
Electrics react quicker than humans, so it seems like a good idea.




Hmmmmm turning off the engine is only one part of the battle though, you also need to get it into neutral / clutch down or else the wheels will continue to drive the engine.... it is also possible to get fluctuations in pressure during hard cornering etc when pressure will drop to near zero for a fraction of a second (long enough for the electrics to cut the engine out via this switch) and the resulting loss of throttle control probably throwing you and your car at the nearest tree / ditch / wall etc at very high speed....... not a good idea all said and done.+


And dont forget there is such a thing as a faulty sender, would be a bugger if it stopped you getting home

>> Edited by dontlift on Wednesday 3rd September 11:58

GreenV8S

30,484 posts

291 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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chrisj said:
I heard of someone rigging their car up so that in the event of loss of oil pressure, the signal that lights up the oil pressure warning light activated an ignition kill switch, so it stopped the engine in time.
Electrics react quicker than humans, so it seems like a good idea.


God no, don't even think about it. You could be seriously in the poo if it cut the engine during cornering.

chrisj

517 posts

262 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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I'm only just getting into this sportscar malarky, so appologies if I upset anyone with this suggestion, it's just something that I heard.
Luckily I haven't done this mod to my own car.
Live and learn.

bogbeast

1,140 posts

270 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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Would it be possible to rig an oil accumulator to feed oil to an engine (upstream from the pump) whilst detecting a low pressure condition. Therefore giving you time to properly stop and shutdown the engine with risking engine damage?

GreenV8S

30,484 posts

291 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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You've just described Accusump - provides a reservoir of pressurised oil for startup and to postpone oil surge. Not much help if your RV8 oil pump has un-primed itself in the meantime, but certainly better than nothing.

danny hoffman

1,617 posts

269 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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I had heard that the SD1 Vitesse had the low oil pressure switch linked to an ignition kill - but never seen any indication of this in the wiring diagrams.

RPI do a kit to prevent the engine starting until a certain pressure is reached whilst cranking.

Danny

boosted ls1

21,198 posts

267 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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I thought the vitesse killed the fuel pump not ignition? An accumulator would work but so would a bright orange light. On corners the light often flashes and a lot of racers ignor it unless it stays on.