Non Water Based Coolant

Non Water Based Coolant

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BogBeast

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1,140 posts

270 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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Has anyone come accross or used anything like this before:

www.evanscooling.com/main21.htm

Looks quite interesting.

Nacnud

2,190 posts

276 months

Thursday 28th August 2003
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Their High Performance Gallery has some surprising entries - it's not just race cars.
Sounds very interesting....

deltaf

6,806 posts

260 months

Thursday 28th August 2003
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Yeah i heard of this stuff a while ago now. "Non propylene glycol" dosent boil like normal coolant so you cab run the system open to atmosphere if you want, as it dosent pressurise!
Downside is that youll maybe have to change the rad for a higer flow unit and get a better coolant pump, as it requires a larger flow of coolant to remove the heat, compared to water based coolants.
Apart from that, its a winner i think.

BogBeast

Original Poster:

1,140 posts

270 months

Saturday 30th August 2003
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They do a version called NPG+ that is less viscous than the original. They state that is requires no changes to cooling system to use it (unlike the previous version which benefited from modified rad’s and water pumps)

I got a price from the a UK disty - £35+vat for 5 litres (if you buy 3 bottles, which what I reckon it will take to change the coolant in my Griff)

Expensive, but I’ve always been a sucker for something new..


>> Edited by BogBeast on Saturday 30th August 11:50

350matt

3,770 posts

286 months

Saturday 30th August 2003
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Have to say I'm not too convinced about running this stuff in a road car as when its cold its going to be pretty thick which may cause flow problems in a conventional rad, also the claimed power advantages look like they'll be negated by the increase drag of the water pump even when its up to temp, not to mention that most TVR ignition systems aren't that precise and the abilty of getting the last 2 ° of spark is dubious in any case.
Still if you're dead set on it....
Matt

z_chromozone

1,436 posts

256 months

Monday 1st September 2003
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Looks like they are running 100% glycol, possibly a mix of ethylene and propylene glycols, or co-polymers of. Chances are that the mix will be fairly viscous if they are claiming high boiling points. There will be a trade off between viscosity and b.p.

Many nuclear reacters use molten sodium to cool, just like the exhaust valves in my old 16V Golf, should be good for a few million bhp.

There was that Chornobyl thingy though.

Z

phil hill

433 posts

283 months

Monday 1st September 2003
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I've heard of industrial engines running light machine oil instead of water in the cooling system. No problem with boiling/freezing point....... I've no data on other mods like radiator changes, heat-rejection rates or life-span of the system though.....

keithyboy

1,940 posts

277 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2003
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Lots of stories years ago about Arabs in the Middle East running Scotch as their coolant as it was cheaper than the off the shelf anti-freeze/summer coolant . . .

>> Edited by keithyboy on Wednesday 3rd September 12:00

z_chromozone

1,436 posts

256 months

Monday 8th September 2003
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Spitfires ran 100% glycol in the 1940's.

Rozza!!!

654 posts

283 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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Doesnt it state on the back of glycol based anti-freeze/coolant products not to use 100% as it works better with a percentage of water mixed in?

Roy.

deltaf

6,806 posts

260 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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Rozza!!! said:
Doesnt it state on the back of glycol based anti-freeze/coolant products not to use 100% as it works better with a percentage of water mixed in?

Roy.


Thats ethylene glygol..........

GreenV8S

30,484 posts

291 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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Antifreeze reduces the specific heat capacity of water - the more antifreeze you put in, the less cooling ability you get.

BogBeast

Original Poster:

1,140 posts

270 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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Well, I am pretty much decided on trying this out in my Ultima, so I let you know how I get on...

HarryW

15,279 posts

276 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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Interesting article on this subject on the vintage triumph register (got it via the 427cobra club site, browsing one day ), it gives some empirical data on water, antifreeze and water wetter in differing ratio's, it makes very interesting reading. See here www.vtr.org/maintain/lubricants-redline.html#coolants just go down to the coolants bit , the rest of the articles are quiet interesting as well if you have the time .

Harry

MGBV8

160 posts

263 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2003
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For a road car you will still use same thermostat, the guage if temps soar let you know if you have a problem.

For a race car its the penalty of carrying more water weight and rad and drag to cool car.

I thought max power for a car was obtained in 70c to 90c range?

Paul