Power and Torque

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MrFlibbles

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7,705 posts

288 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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Dont worry chaps, its not a "whats the difference" thread!

My mechanical knowledge would be described as limited at best, so, what attributes of an engine define various characteristics?

For example - the small 4 pot in the CTR produces loads of power but little torque.... the RV8 is a bit of a torque monster, but not that powerful for its size....

Explain!

Ta

slinky

15,704 posts

254 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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As far as I understand things, bore and stroke have a lot to do with the torque and/or power output of an engine..

I haven't quite got to the bottom of exactly how yet though!

slinky

jmcc500

647 posts

223 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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Here goes for a gross generalisation that I am sure someone will get pedantic about:

All engines run more or less the same mean piston speed. So a ship engine runs much slower, but because the piston travels so far the mean piston speed is very similar (ball park) to a high-revving motorbike engine. The bike engine runs at maybe 20 times the speed in rpm, but the stroke is shorter and so the mean piston speed ends up the same (more or less).

Power is a function of torque and speed - high speed -> higher power.

Of course, it is more complicated than that, but it is a starting point for someone else to continue...

MrFlibbles

Original Poster:

7,705 posts

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Monday 20th March 2006
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jmcc500 said:


Power is a function of torque and speed - high speed -> higher power.



I've heard that before, but cant get my head around why you can have engines with high power, but low torque!

Mattyboy101

16,662 posts

223 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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Because they rev high!!

Zad

12,747 posts

241 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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Torque * Revs = Power

Keep one of them steady and increase the other, and power increases. So engines with longer strokes tend to run slower but, becase the crank is longer, you get more leverage and thus torque.

Conversely "over square" bore engines with short crank throws tend to be screamers that need to be thrashed to get the same output power.

stevesingo

4,864 posts

227 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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MrFlibbles said:
jmcc500 said:


Power is a function of torque and speed - high speed -> higher power.



I've heard that before, but cant get my head around why you can have engines with high power, but low torque!


A GSXR 1000 bike engine puts out 170odd BHP and 80 something lb/ft torque. That's 80lb/ft a litre. If you look through the specs of all non-turbo engines, regardless of size, you will find that not many make much more than that.

Look here
www.pumaracing.co.uk/power1.htm
www.pumaracing.co.uk/power2.htm
www.pumaracing.co.uk/power2.htm

Steve