Peugeot 3008 - Piston Rings Dead - To Reapir?!?!
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Hey all,
Wondering if anyone can assist with my current dilemma.
My wife has a 2018 Peugeot 3008. It has 60k on the clock and has served us well as a family wagon.
It has slowly started to consume oil, more and more, until its current state of nearly a litre in approx. 750 miles.
After some internet research it appears that its a fault a few have seen and is down to the piston rings wearing prematurely. It looks like some folks have had replacement engines from Peugeot. I have confirmed its the rings, as on a recent spark plug change, cylinder 2 was visibly wet with oil upon removal.
We have contacted our local dealership, they are aware of the issue and say that they just replace the rings now, rather than the complete engine.
I mentioned that i have carried out the last two services on the vehicle, which in turn means that Peugeot wont help at all. This was confirmed by a couple of calls to Peugeot customer service. I appreciate the car is out of warranty.
Our local dealer has estimated costs of £2500-£3500 to replace the rings. The variance being they aren't sure what else might need doing at the same time.
I intend on contacting some local independent garages to get additional quotes.
I guess i have a few questions, if anyone can share some wisdom or hopefully first hand experience...
1) despite me self servicing the car, can Peugeot wash their hands of it? Or do i need to fight?
2) What would be a reasonable price for replacement piston rings?
3) Would we be better off shifting the car on via WBAC or similar (this doesnt sit well on our morale compass).
Any thoughts, feedback or advice is greatly appreciated!
Wondering if anyone can assist with my current dilemma.
My wife has a 2018 Peugeot 3008. It has 60k on the clock and has served us well as a family wagon.
It has slowly started to consume oil, more and more, until its current state of nearly a litre in approx. 750 miles.
After some internet research it appears that its a fault a few have seen and is down to the piston rings wearing prematurely. It looks like some folks have had replacement engines from Peugeot. I have confirmed its the rings, as on a recent spark plug change, cylinder 2 was visibly wet with oil upon removal.
We have contacted our local dealership, they are aware of the issue and say that they just replace the rings now, rather than the complete engine.
I mentioned that i have carried out the last two services on the vehicle, which in turn means that Peugeot wont help at all. This was confirmed by a couple of calls to Peugeot customer service. I appreciate the car is out of warranty.
Our local dealer has estimated costs of £2500-£3500 to replace the rings. The variance being they aren't sure what else might need doing at the same time.
I intend on contacting some local independent garages to get additional quotes.
I guess i have a few questions, if anyone can share some wisdom or hopefully first hand experience...
1) despite me self servicing the car, can Peugeot wash their hands of it? Or do i need to fight?
2) What would be a reasonable price for replacement piston rings?
3) Would we be better off shifting the car on via WBAC or similar (this doesnt sit well on our morale compass).
Any thoughts, feedback or advice is greatly appreciated!
It's quite likely that the rate of consumption will increase, leading to potential MOT emissions issues and poisoning of the catalyst. If the OP wants to keep the car (which it sounds like they may), it would be prudent to have the car repaired.
Having experience of the PSA goodwill process (used to work for the brand as a service manager), unfortunately even though it's a "known issue", because of the self-servicing I think sadly you'll struggle to get any kind of contribution from the manufacturer, even more so at six years old. They generally only contributed to anything up to a year outside warranty, even with a full dealership history. At six years old, you're on your own unfortunately.
It would be worth investigating quotes from an independent garage - most of the main dealership cost if they're just replacing the piston rings will be labour.
Having experience of the PSA goodwill process (used to work for the brand as a service manager), unfortunately even though it's a "known issue", because of the self-servicing I think sadly you'll struggle to get any kind of contribution from the manufacturer, even more so at six years old. They generally only contributed to anything up to a year outside warranty, even with a full dealership history. At six years old, you're on your own unfortunately.
It would be worth investigating quotes from an independent garage - most of the main dealership cost if they're just replacing the piston rings will be labour.
itcaptainslow said:
It's quite likely that the rate of consumption will increase, leading to potential MOT emissions issues and poisoning of the catalyst. If the OP wants to keep the car (which it sounds like they may), it would be prudent to have the car repaired.
Having experience of the PSA goodwill process (used to work for the brand as a service manager), unfortunately even though it's a "known issue", because of the self-servicing I think sadly you'll struggle to get any kind of contribution from the manufacturer, even more so at six years old. They generally only contributed to anything up to a year outside warranty, even with a full dealership history. At six years old, you're on your own unfortunately.
It would be worth investigating quotes from an independent garage - most of the main dealership cost if they're just replacing the piston rings will be labour.
thanks for that insight. I do appreciate we have little case, as you say, age and self servicing. Having experience of the PSA goodwill process (used to work for the brand as a service manager), unfortunately even though it's a "known issue", because of the self-servicing I think sadly you'll struggle to get any kind of contribution from the manufacturer, even more so at six years old. They generally only contributed to anything up to a year outside warranty, even with a full dealership history. At six years old, you're on your own unfortunately.
It would be worth investigating quotes from an independent garage - most of the main dealership cost if they're just replacing the piston rings will be labour.
Frustratingly the car has been great in every other way and is still in good condition and well looked after etc, so feels annoying that this has occurred.
I will see if any local garages are willing to take this job on.
I do wonder if replacing piston rings will be the same that degrade after 60k miles or if they have been up-issued to a more reliable construction. As i dont want to revisit this in another 60k.
It might be worth seeing if you can find the 'Info Rapid' (the name for the PSA bulletin/repair procedure for the issue) document on the internet, which will give details of the repair and any modifications to prevent a re-occurrence. The dealership will have it, but understandably will be reluctant to share it with you as it's an internal document. It may just be a defective batch of piston rings, or a more serious, wide ranging issue. Guessing it's the EB 1.2 three cylinder engine?
If the car has been as good as you say, I'd suggest it's definitely a case of "better the Devil.." and having it repaired.
If the car has been as good as you say, I'd suggest it's definitely a case of "better the Devil.." and having it repaired.
Edited by itcaptainslow on Monday 23 September 14:06
TwinKam said:
If it is that engine, kill two birds by having the wet-belt renewed at the same time, there'd be a lot of cross-over between the two jobs.
Was asking with a view to saying exactly the same thing. Good opportunity to have the belt renewed and sump cleaned of any belt particles. It’s a £400 plus job on its own.Huzzah said:
fmp said:
Huzzah said:
You realise you'll need to do an additional 180,000 miles to recoup the cost.
Hey Huzzah, thanks for the reply. Can you expand on your comment? Are you talking with regards to depreciation etc?I have absolutely no knowledge if this happens on the car you're discussing though, I'm afraid, but beware oil consumption.
itcaptainslow said:
Was asking with a view to saying exactly the same thing. Good opportunity to have the belt renewed and sump cleaned of any belt particles. It’s a £400 plus job on its own.
this was done as a recall last year. as i believe they degrade and block the oil pump. it almost feels like the piston ring issue has occurred since, but i am sure its just a coincidence! I assume this is the Puretech engine? From what I have read 60K miles is about the point they start to consume loads of oil.
Much as it would make me feel guilty making it someone else's problem I would sell it to WBAC and buy a different car that doesn't have either the Puretech of Ford Ecoboost engine.
Much as it would make me feel guilty making it someone else's problem I would sell it to WBAC and buy a different car that doesn't have either the Puretech of Ford Ecoboost engine.
I would be very tempted to sell it on, with the fault disclosed, to be repaired by a mechanic doing it in evenings for pocket money.
As said, its basically scrapped itself if you pay for the labour at commercial rates.
If you really love the car, get the cheapest backyard garage with any reputation tow swap the rings.
As said, its basically scrapped itself if you pay for the labour at commercial rates.
If you really love the car, get the cheapest backyard garage with any reputation tow swap the rings.
dhutch said:
I would be very tempted to sell it on, with the fault disclosed, to be repaired by a mechanic doing it in evenings for pocket money.
As said, its basically scrapped itself if you pay for the labour at commercial rates.
If you really love the car, get the cheapest backyard garage with any reputation tow swap the rings.
And buy sounds of things if they're all scrap at 60k, any used engine will also be scrap.As said, its basically scrapped itself if you pay for the labour at commercial rates.
If you really love the car, get the cheapest backyard garage with any reputation tow swap the rings.
thanks for all the input.
I went to a well regarded local garage. They have done 2 of these engines in the past month or so. One cost £3400 and the other £4100 (due to needing big end bearings too).
So with that in mind, we are going to move the car on. It is a big shame, as its been great up until this point.
We popped to a few local small dealerships to see what they had (but not to trade our car against) and they echoed the Puretec engines faults. Shame Peugeot dropped the ball with this one.
WBAC appointment made.
The hunt for a replacement vehicle begins.
I went to a well regarded local garage. They have done 2 of these engines in the past month or so. One cost £3400 and the other £4100 (due to needing big end bearings too).
So with that in mind, we are going to move the car on. It is a big shame, as its been great up until this point.
We popped to a few local small dealerships to see what they had (but not to trade our car against) and they echoed the Puretec engines faults. Shame Peugeot dropped the ball with this one.
WBAC appointment made.
The hunt for a replacement vehicle begins.
fmp said:
I went to a well regarded local garage. They have done 2 of these engines in the past month or so. One cost £3400 and the other £4100 (due to needing big end bearings too).
My word, £700 for 3 bearings is a nice little sweetener whilst they're in there 
From a very brief Google, rod bearings for 1.2 peugeots are ~£15, let's guess £50 all in.
To do the rings, they're taking the pistons out, which means removing the rods. At this point, the labour to swap the bearings is ~30 seconds. I can't imagine they're spending much time verifying clearances on a completely OEM engine.
£700 for that is quite the mark up just because "big end bearings" sounds scary
fmp said:
So with that in mind, we are going to move the car on. .......shame Peugeot dropped the ball with this one.
Yeah, not the dream really. Well out of an warranty, but also premature of modern life expectancy. See also BMW with the camchain failure.
And Ford with their belt in oil issues.
JLR with the fuel in oil regen issues.
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