Diesel engine cut out - Mondeo mk4.5 1.6 TDCi 115HP ECOnetic
Discussion
Hi folks,
Appreciate thoughts on below...
As above, car started and idled as normal for a couple of minutes whilst setting satnav and demisting.
Then I set off from the drive, slowed for the junction just 30meters from home - and the engine died. Surprised I tried to restart just once or twice - it seemed to turn over but didn't really sound like it was going to start.
Needing to get to work I parked up, walked all of 30m back home and borrowed my wife's car.
Prior to breakdown today I've never had any issues. The normal usage pattern is long runs only followed by being parked up for 1-2 weeks. Indeed the last use was a 6hour /360mile nonstop trip back from Scotland, filling up 1 mile from home - and then parked up for 2 weeks since.
I have double checked my receipt that I did indeed pay for diesel, have just had the garage staff (Tesco) confirm (verbally) no fuel contamination issues from that time period.
No warning lights on the dash, my basic code reader shows no codes, and I can't see anything obvious wrong in the dark.
It feels like sudden fuel blockage or starvation- however I could be very wrong (on a different car years ago a similar non-start it turned out to be a fried circuit in the ECU/BCU).
I did change the fuel filter 4 months ago so could rebleed that - and possibly swap back in the old one in the unlikely event of failure.
Any solid leads welcomed!
Appreciate thoughts on below...
As above, car started and idled as normal for a couple of minutes whilst setting satnav and demisting.
Then I set off from the drive, slowed for the junction just 30meters from home - and the engine died. Surprised I tried to restart just once or twice - it seemed to turn over but didn't really sound like it was going to start.
Needing to get to work I parked up, walked all of 30m back home and borrowed my wife's car.
Prior to breakdown today I've never had any issues. The normal usage pattern is long runs only followed by being parked up for 1-2 weeks. Indeed the last use was a 6hour /360mile nonstop trip back from Scotland, filling up 1 mile from home - and then parked up for 2 weeks since.
I have double checked my receipt that I did indeed pay for diesel, have just had the garage staff (Tesco) confirm (verbally) no fuel contamination issues from that time period.
No warning lights on the dash, my basic code reader shows no codes, and I can't see anything obvious wrong in the dark.
It feels like sudden fuel blockage or starvation- however I could be very wrong (on a different car years ago a similar non-start it turned out to be a fried circuit in the ECU/BCU).
I did change the fuel filter 4 months ago so could rebleed that - and possibly swap back in the old one in the unlikely event of failure.
Any solid leads welcomed!
C-J said:
Hi folks,
Appreciate thoughts on below...
As above, car started and idled as normal for a couple of minutes whilst setting satnav and demisting.
Then I set off from the drive, slowed for the junction just 30meters from home - and the engine died. Surprised I tried to restart just once or twice - it seemed to turn over but didn't really sound like it was going to start.
Needing to get to work I parked up, walked all of 30m back home and borrowed my wife's car.
Prior to breakdown today I've never had any issues. The normal usage pattern is long runs only followed by being parked up for 1-2 weeks. Indeed the last use was a 6hour /360mile nonstop trip back from Scotland, filling up 1 mile from home - and then parked up for 2 weeks since.
I have double checked my receipt that I did indeed pay for diesel, have just had the garage staff (Tesco) confirm (verbally) no fuel contamination issues from that time period.
No warning lights on the dash, my basic code reader shows no codes, and I can't see anything obvious wrong in the dark.
It feels like sudden fuel blockage or starvation- however I could be very wrong (on a different car years ago a similar non-start it turned out to be a fried circuit in the ECU/BCU).
I did change the fuel filter 4 months ago so could rebleed that - and possibly swap back in the old one in the unlikely event of failure.
Any solid leads welcomed!
Cambelt?Appreciate thoughts on below...
As above, car started and idled as normal for a couple of minutes whilst setting satnav and demisting.
Then I set off from the drive, slowed for the junction just 30meters from home - and the engine died. Surprised I tried to restart just once or twice - it seemed to turn over but didn't really sound like it was going to start.
Needing to get to work I parked up, walked all of 30m back home and borrowed my wife's car.
Prior to breakdown today I've never had any issues. The normal usage pattern is long runs only followed by being parked up for 1-2 weeks. Indeed the last use was a 6hour /360mile nonstop trip back from Scotland, filling up 1 mile from home - and then parked up for 2 weeks since.
I have double checked my receipt that I did indeed pay for diesel, have just had the garage staff (Tesco) confirm (verbally) no fuel contamination issues from that time period.
No warning lights on the dash, my basic code reader shows no codes, and I can't see anything obvious wrong in the dark.
It feels like sudden fuel blockage or starvation- however I could be very wrong (on a different car years ago a similar non-start it turned out to be a fried circuit in the ECU/BCU).
I did change the fuel filter 4 months ago so could rebleed that - and possibly swap back in the old one in the unlikely event of failure.
Any solid leads welcomed!
I was hoping not the cambelt - the aux belt looks OK and I can't see anything beyond that in the dark.
Need to work out how best to see some of the cambelt without having to strip much off to see. Any tips welcome.
My understanding is that the cambelt is not due until 10years/120k miles. It is on my list for this year - hope that I haven't misunderstood the service schedule!
Need to work out how best to see some of the cambelt without having to strip much off to see. Any tips welcome.
My understanding is that the cambelt is not due until 10years/120k miles. It is on my list for this year - hope that I haven't misunderstood the service schedule!
C-J said:
My understanding is that the cambelt is not due until 10years/120k miles. It is on my list for this year -
I am pretty sure that is the same engine as Volvo/Mazda/Peugeot/Citroen use in all their 1560cc engined cars.Have just done the belt on mine which is a Volvo V40 D2, Volvo call it the D4162T engine, and I believe Volvo say 10years 100k miles.
On the left hand end of the engine there is a semi-circle shaped plastic cover above the engine mount that just has a couple of Torx screws holding it in place, that shouldn't be too hard to get off.
The pic is of the Citroen one so the cover may look slightly different, but you get the idea.
Cheers for the info and photo.
Just found this video showing a cambelt change - From memory I think there might even be more room in the mondeo engine bay to get in to that top cover.
https://youtu.be/eSVdVACJBlc?feature=shared
FORD 1.6 TDCI / PSA 1.6 HDI Timing belt and water pump replacement 2012 Cmax
Just found this video showing a cambelt change - From memory I think there might even be more room in the mondeo engine bay to get in to that top cover.
https://youtu.be/eSVdVACJBlc?feature=shared
FORD 1.6 TDCI / PSA 1.6 HDI Timing belt and water pump replacement 2012 Cmax
2 daft questions (long day!) - and appreciate below is at my risk...
1) presume that if I expose the crankshaft pulley that I can just turn the crank (clockwise I assume?) slowly using long reach socket etc without needing to remove/disconnect any sensors etc? (in neutral of course)
2) and to remove the crank pulley bolt, does it unwind anticlockwise (i.e. conventional thread)? The driver for that question is from that video it looks to me that he spins it clockwise to remove - but that might be a visual illusion of watching something fast on a small phone!
I'm not planning on removing this bolt - however I'd like to be prepared for all eventualities - and I'm now curious!
1) presume that if I expose the crankshaft pulley that I can just turn the crank (clockwise I assume?) slowly using long reach socket etc without needing to remove/disconnect any sensors etc? (in neutral of course)
2) and to remove the crank pulley bolt, does it unwind anticlockwise (i.e. conventional thread)? The driver for that question is from that video it looks to me that he spins it clockwise to remove - but that might be a visual illusion of watching something fast on a small phone!
I'm not planning on removing this bolt - however I'd like to be prepared for all eventualities - and I'm now curious!
Found another good video - which I think indicates that the crank bolt is a normal thread - so anti-clockwise to undo.
https://youtu.be/yNcx7mQQCLw?feature=shared
Timing belt and water pump replacement 1.6 hdi (Ford,Citroen,Peugeot ect)
...however still need to know if OK to rotate via crank just to visually check the belt with everything else insitu - including the auxiliary belt?
https://youtu.be/yNcx7mQQCLw?feature=shared
Timing belt and water pump replacement 1.6 hdi (Ford,Citroen,Peugeot ect)
...however still need to know if OK to rotate via crank just to visually check the belt with everything else insitu - including the auxiliary belt?
You should be OK without doing any more damage than will have been done if it has already gone or doing any damage if it is still all in place.
OBVS. As you say in neutral, normal right hand thread 18mm IIRC and it may well have a rubber cover over the middle of the pulley, which just pops off.
OBVS. As you say in neutral, normal right hand thread 18mm IIRC and it may well have a rubber cover over the middle of the pulley, which just pops off.
Good news: Cambelt looked ok at the top and managed to get the car running.
The issue was either air in fuel line or lack of fuel/pressure in rail.
Fuel filter didn't bleed out any air - but then I needed to manually pump loads (maybe half litre?) of fuel through filter into the fuel rails (low pressure rail?)
I could hear hissing during the manual priming step - therefore wondering if either there is a pressure relief valve around the engine fuel intake, or whether a leak - injector seals or something else. Do modern diesels like this have leak off pipes? - I can't even see!
Less good news: no idea what caused it, so no idea how to prevent in future. May need to research getting a pressure/leak test done?
The issue was either air in fuel line or lack of fuel/pressure in rail.
Fuel filter didn't bleed out any air - but then I needed to manually pump loads (maybe half litre?) of fuel through filter into the fuel rails (low pressure rail?)
I could hear hissing during the manual priming step - therefore wondering if either there is a pressure relief valve around the engine fuel intake, or whether a leak - injector seals or something else. Do modern diesels like this have leak off pipes? - I can't even see!
Less good news: no idea what caused it, so no idea how to prevent in future. May need to research getting a pressure/leak test done?
That's good news that it's running and therefore nothing fundamentally or catastrophically broken, though I can see the frustration of not being any further forward as to why it stopped.
How are your PC skills? Forscan is free diagnostic software for Fords - you'll need a decent ELM 327 cable for it, ideally a high speed one. You then get an approximation to dealer levels of diagnostics from the on-board computers, including freeze frame and some historical data - how good depends on the exact model and vintage. There are iOS and Android versions which while somewhat cut-down in capability are still useful. Worth noting that, in the case of Android, it tends to be only intermittently available in the Play store, depending on Google's latest mood.
How are your PC skills? Forscan is free diagnostic software for Fords - you'll need a decent ELM 327 cable for it, ideally a high speed one. You then get an approximation to dealer levels of diagnostics from the on-board computers, including freeze frame and some historical data - how good depends on the exact model and vintage. There are iOS and Android versions which while somewhat cut-down in capability are still useful. Worth noting that, in the case of Android, it tends to be only intermittently available in the Play store, depending on Google's latest mood.
Thanks.
I had forgotton about Forscan - but now recall it being mentioned previously.
Don't really have any laptops in the house that I could use (without being divorced or sacked!) - so have just taken a punt on acquiring an Android-lite version for my phone (ignoring the security warnings and hoping all OK!).
Will try and get a vlinker fd obd2 Plug-in thingy on quick delivery via ebay or amazon.
I had forgotton about Forscan - but now recall it being mentioned previously.
Don't really have any laptops in the house that I could use (without being divorced or sacked!) - so have just taken a punt on acquiring an Android-lite version for my phone (ignoring the security warnings and hoping all OK!).
Will try and get a vlinker fd obd2 Plug-in thingy on quick delivery via ebay or amazon.
Thanks for all previous input.
To provide some closure:
FORSCAN and vlinker purchased - no relevant error codes showed.
Around 3 months and a few thousand miles since bleeding the fuel filter/rail and zero repeat issues.
My best guess is that either:
> I ran it slightly too low on fuel (although there was still circa 7 litres remaining, and I have run it lower previously) causing air or debris blockage;
> or that when I filled it I overfilled (i did pump passed the first few clicks to do a brim to brim mpg calc) it interrupting a breather pipe;
> or some combination of the 2 that caused an airlock.
So perhaps operator error - and I'll aim in future to have a min 10L in the tank - still provides circa 750miles at gentle m-way speeds.
And crucially nothing seems broken - and I have acquired some digital toys to play with!
To provide some closure:
FORSCAN and vlinker purchased - no relevant error codes showed.
Around 3 months and a few thousand miles since bleeding the fuel filter/rail and zero repeat issues.
My best guess is that either:
> I ran it slightly too low on fuel (although there was still circa 7 litres remaining, and I have run it lower previously) causing air or debris blockage;
> or that when I filled it I overfilled (i did pump passed the first few clicks to do a brim to brim mpg calc) it interrupting a breather pipe;
> or some combination of the 2 that caused an airlock.
So perhaps operator error - and I'll aim in future to have a min 10L in the tank - still provides circa 750miles at gentle m-way speeds.
And crucially nothing seems broken - and I have acquired some digital toys to play with!
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