Hydrolocking a petrol engine

Hydrolocking a petrol engine

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R6tty

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704 posts

30 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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Point me there if it's been discussed elsewhere, but can a flooded petrol engine hydrolock the same way as a diesel?

Jimbo.

4,083 posts

204 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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Yes.

98elise

29,842 posts

176 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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R6tty said:
Point me there if it's been discussed elsewhere, but can a flooded petrol engine hydrolock the same way as a diesel?
Yes of course.

All ICE engines work on compression. Water doesn't compress so will hydrolock if enough water is ingested.

Decky_Q

1,808 posts

192 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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Take the plugs out and turn it over, if it looks like the Bellagio fountains then probably hydro locked.

Petrol engines have a larger combustion space but still only millilitres worth.

QuickQuack

2,493 posts

116 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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Gasses are compressible, liquids are not. Given that both 2- and 4-strole petrol engine cycles involve compression phases of gasses, if the cylinder contains a liquid instead, i.e., the water instead of air has entered the engine through the air intake, the piston can't compress it down, and the engine "hydrolocks", which will happen with any liquid, not just water. It makes no difference that the fuel is ignited by an electrical spark in a petrol engine as opposed to compression in a diesel, since the engine can't complete its operating cycle. Piston simply can't move, which means engine can't operate.

POIDH

1,824 posts

80 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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R6tty said:
Point me there if it's been discussed elsewhere, but can a flooded petrol engine hydrolock the same way as a diesel?
Are you on a YouTube video we need to know about? wink

samoht

6,593 posts

161 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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Decky_Q said:
Petrol engines have a larger combustion space but still only millilitres worth.
This, the compression ratio is lower so it would take a little more water to hydrolock a petrol, but doesn't make a huge difference either way if your engine air inlet is submerged.

I think it was one or more bent rods that my mum managed in the family Toyota.

CraigyMc

17,862 posts

251 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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R6tty said:
Point me there if it's been discussed elsewhere, but can a flooded petrol engine hydrolock the same way as a diesel?
Of course.

Pica-Pica

15,220 posts

99 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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QuickQuack said:
Gasses are compressible, liquids are not. Given that both 2- and 4-strole petrol engine cycles involve compression phases of gasses, if the cylinder contains a liquid instead, i.e., the water instead of air has entered the engine through the air intake, the piston can't compress it down, and the engine "hydrolocks", which will happen with any liquid, not just water. It makes no difference that the fuel is ignited by an electrical spark in a petrol engine as opposed to compression in a diesel, since the engine can't complete its operating cycle. Piston simply can't move, which means engine can't operate.
Liquids are compressible, but by a minuscule amount. Their inter-molecular distances are very small, compared to gases, hence their molecular repulsion is far higher resulting in increased pressure. For the situation in question, liquid can be considered in practical terms as incompressible. More here:
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/394943...

FMOB

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27 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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Okay, so what happened?

QuickQuack

2,493 posts

116 months

Thursday 4th January 2024
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Pica-Pica said:
QuickQuack said:
Gasses are compressible, liquids are not. Given that both 2- and 4-strole petrol engine cycles involve compression phases of gasses, if the cylinder contains a liquid instead, i.e., the water instead of air has entered the engine through the air intake, the piston can't compress it down, and the engine "hydrolocks", which will happen with any liquid, not just water. It makes no difference that the fuel is ignited by an electrical spark in a petrol engine as opposed to compression in a diesel, since the engine can't complete its operating cycle. Piston simply can't move, which means engine can't operate.
Liquids are compressible, but by a minuscule amount. Their inter-molecular distances are very small, compared to gases, hence their molecular repulsion is far higher resulting in increased pressure. For the situation in question, liquid can be considered in practical terms as incompressible. More here:
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/394943...
We're talking about cars, engines and basic concepts here, not having a discussion on particle physics. rolleyes Incompressible is all the OP needs to understand the answer to his question without going into the nuances of what little fraction of a percent of the volume of a liquid is made up of compressible intermolecular distances. Even if you're a professor of physics, don't assume that you're the only person here with an equivalent level of scientific knowledge or training.

GliderRider

2,691 posts

96 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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I had a head gasket go on an 800cc Daewoo Matiz. I took the plugs out in the drive and asked a friend to turn the engine over on the starter so I could see if any moisture came out of any of the plug holes.
Anyway he turned the key and a jet of water from the No.1 cylinder went 20ft and hit the back of the garage... biggrin