Long crank to start
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Got an 04 Ibiza with a PD130. Recently it's starting to take longer to crank/start when cold (not ran in a while not temp). I've change the battery and the problem still occurs.
There doesn't appear to be any other electrical issues but I'm not sure how else to check if there is a parasitic draw?
Other think possibly could be the starter motor but not sure how to check it?
Anything else that might be worth checking?
There doesn't appear to be any other electrical issues but I'm not sure how else to check if there is a parasitic draw?
Other think possibly could be the starter motor but not sure how to check it?
Anything else that might be worth checking?
Could be the fuel pump not priming. Leave a longer gap between switching on the ignition and engaging the starter to see if that helps.
If it's cranking OK it's unlikely to be a battery or starter issue unless it's cranking slow.
It's also worth having a look at what fault codes are stored if you've got access to a code reader.
If it's cranking OK it's unlikely to be a battery or starter issue unless it's cranking slow.
It's also worth having a look at what fault codes are stored if you've got access to a code reader.
Would I need to plug in for the glow plug issue or is there some symptoms I need to look out for. My other car had a bad relay and would fluctuate on idle which this doesn't do. Occasionally it does feel like the idle isn't smooth like it's spluttering but it's intermittent.
Fuel pump primes when I turn the key, can hear it each time. Time between ignition and starting doesn't a difference.
Cranks absolutely fine just takes longer than normal to catch.
I have a friend with a laptop so will ask him to plug in and see if there are any codes which might help
Fuel pump primes when I turn the key, can hear it each time. Time between ignition and starting doesn't a difference.
Cranks absolutely fine just takes longer than normal to catch.
I have a friend with a laptop so will ask him to plug in and see if there are any codes which might help
bobski1 said:
Got an 04 Ibiza with a PD130. Recently it's starting to take longer to crank/start when cold (not ran in a while not temp). I've change the battery and the problem still occurs.
There doesn't appear to be any other electrical issues but I'm not sure how else to check if there is a parasitic draw?
Other think possibly could be the starter motor but not sure how to check it?
Anything else that might be worth checking?
All those things you mention seem like potential reasons for slow cranking. Is that what you're seeing?There doesn't appear to be any other electrical issues but I'm not sure how else to check if there is a parasitic draw?
Other think possibly could be the starter motor but not sure how to check it?
Anything else that might be worth checking?
If it's cranking at the normal speed but just taking longer to catch then glow plugs seem like a far more likely cause.
The engine will usually be required to turn over at over 250 rpm to start. Occasionally if it's just below the 250 rpm it might take a while.
Usually with these engines the problem is that the tandem pump on the end of the engine is starved of fuel. I have before now fitted a non return valve just before the tandem pump to prevent the fuel running back. If it starts quicker when the car is pointing downhill, it's almost certainly worth a try. But it could be the glow plugs are bad. If this is the case, I would expect it to blow white smoke when cranking but not starting (uncombusted diesel)
Usually with these engines the problem is that the tandem pump on the end of the engine is starved of fuel. I have before now fitted a non return valve just before the tandem pump to prevent the fuel running back. If it starts quicker when the car is pointing downhill, it's almost certainly worth a try. But it could be the glow plugs are bad. If this is the case, I would expect it to blow white smoke when cranking but not starting (uncombusted diesel)
what do you mean by slow cranking? Do you mean taking longer to crank or that the time between the crank is longer? For me it cranks fine but it just cranks for longer and then fires.
Doesn't seem to matter how it is parked or the temp but seems to be worse when engine is cold.
Apart from plugging in is there a way to know if it is the plugs or the relay or both? Given its on 262k and I haven't change them before it seems to be likely they are going/gone.
Doesn't seem to matter how it is parked or the temp but seems to be worse when engine is cold.
Apart from plugging in is there a way to know if it is the plugs or the relay or both? Given its on 262k and I haven't change them before it seems to be likely they are going/gone.
Cam sensor failure permanent or intermittant will cause this and dont flag up the MIL 
however will be stored , I know this to be in various models with this motor fitted , there is also a bulletin about the crank sensor screen losing its connection/grounding @ the ECU end causing starter cranking high current to be picked up during cranking hash/noise/interference in the sensor output and hence long cranging carried out this repair on a two VW Bora's with the PD motor now you will need to confirm with an oscilloscope however, these are all valid examples of what can cause your issue, in saying all this get the car scanned firstly monitor fuel pressures, RPM during cranking etc by someone competent IOW
however will be stored , I know this to be in various models with this motor fitted , there is also a bulletin about the crank sensor screen losing its connection/grounding @ the ECU end causing starter cranking high current to be picked up during cranking hash/noise/interference in the sensor output and hence long cranging carried out this repair on a two VW Bora's with the PD motor now you will need to confirm with an oscilloscope however, these are all valid examples of what can cause your issue, in saying all this get the car scanned firstly monitor fuel pressures, RPM during cranking etc by someone competent IOWGassing Station | Engines & Drivetrain | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff