Starter Motor Heat Shield Blanket Recommendations?
Discussion
Is this a normal starter that people use on that vehicle ? Do they also have problems ?
Does the factory fit starter not work ?
Are there any OEM heat shields in place ? I dislike wrapping things up, whilst that can protect short term heat....it can also bake things longer term. I like airflow around hot parts where possible.
Does the factory fit starter not work ?
Are there any OEM heat shields in place ? I dislike wrapping things up, whilst that can protect short term heat....it can also bake things longer term. I like airflow around hot parts where possible.
Not a recommendation. You pays your money and you takes your chance with the following
https://www.amazon.com/starter-heat-shield/s?k=sta...
https://www.amazon.com/starter-heat-shield/s?k=sta...
stevieturbo said:
Is this a normal starter that people use on that vehicle ? Do they also have problems ?
Does the factory fit starter not work ?
Are there any OEM heat shields in place ? I dislike wrapping things up, whilst that can protect short term heat....it can also bake things longer term. I like airflow around hot parts where possible.
It is factory fit, I don't know anyone else who tries to run a Cerbera on track days at the RingDoes the factory fit starter not work ?
Are there any OEM heat shields in place ? I dislike wrapping things up, whilst that can protect short term heat....it can also bake things longer term. I like airflow around hot parts where possible.
The first couple of days were fine, but the third was much warmer, and that finished off a brand new solenoid
So, there is supposed to be an OEM heat shield, but I've never seen one
I am also averse to wrapping things, once you wrap the manifolds they become incredibly difficult to fit, and working underneath the car is so unpleasant I'll never attempt that again
I know starter motor wrapping is commonly done with other track vehicles, but like you I prefer airflow, which is why I've not considered it before
As above, DEI make decent stuff.
Or I see a lot of adverts on FB etc, Funky Monkey or something like that who claim to have wonderful heat protection stuff.
Personally I'd prefer basic shielding, and try and route/allow airflow.
IMO, all blankets and products that insulate will do...is work ok when moving. But when you park up with roasting hot manifolds etc with zero airflow, anything inside those blankets will cook simply through heat soak and they have no ability to cool down because of the blanket.
Or I see a lot of adverts on FB etc, Funky Monkey or something like that who claim to have wonderful heat protection stuff.
Personally I'd prefer basic shielding, and try and route/allow airflow.
IMO, all blankets and products that insulate will do...is work ok when moving. But when you park up with roasting hot manifolds etc with zero airflow, anything inside those blankets will cook simply through heat soak and they have no ability to cool down because of the blanket.
On the V8S I wrap an ordinary fibreglass/metal film heat blanket around the solenoid and top half of the starter secured by lock wire. The problem is exhaust heat cooking the starter motor during the heat soak. The starter itself doesn't particularly need air cooling unless you're using the starter excessively so there isn't any harm in insulating it..
Is this the same as your set-up?
If yes
Can't for the life of me understand how the solenoid is getting too hot when compared to where Rover V8 starters are mounted
Nowhere near the exhausts is it?
You could be unlucky as well as having solenoid temperature problems. New poor quality solenoids could be causing you some pain
Have you bothered to strip a solenoid down to see if its coils or spool have been damaged by heat?
Perhaps the coil/coils are breaking due to poor manufacture or the quality of copper wire used
Something else that you're aware of, solenoid plungers do sometimes stick before achieving full travel
Have you considered reducing the diameter of the plunger by a couple of thou and getting plenty of decent grease in there, it could make a massive difference if temperature really is causing the plunger to tighten due to expansion
If yes
Can't for the life of me understand how the solenoid is getting too hot when compared to where Rover V8 starters are mounted
Nowhere near the exhausts is it?
You could be unlucky as well as having solenoid temperature problems. New poor quality solenoids could be causing you some pain
Have you bothered to strip a solenoid down to see if its coils or spool have been damaged by heat?
Perhaps the coil/coils are breaking due to poor manufacture or the quality of copper wire used
Something else that you're aware of, solenoid plungers do sometimes stick before achieving full travel
Have you considered reducing the diameter of the plunger by a couple of thou and getting plenty of decent grease in there, it could make a massive difference if temperature really is causing the plunger to tighten due to expansion
Have you thought of not wrapping the manifolds at all, but using these guys?
https://www.zircotec.com/
This ceramic coating is NOT cheap, but it certainly works.
In discussion with a British GT team, I noted their 458 had this coating on the exhaust manifolds. I asked them why they did it. Constant issues with heat soak and part failure, some causing them a genuine worry, and me too when I heard about it! (scrutineer).
They were convinced that in some parts of the engine bay, local temperatures, while racing, had fallen at least 50 °C. A very welcome margin for plastic parts and adhesives.
https://www.zircotec.com/
This ceramic coating is NOT cheap, but it certainly works.
In discussion with a British GT team, I noted their 458 had this coating on the exhaust manifolds. I asked them why they did it. Constant issues with heat soak and part failure, some causing them a genuine worry, and me too when I heard about it! (scrutineer).
They were convinced that in some parts of the engine bay, local temperatures, while racing, had fallen at least 50 °C. A very welcome margin for plastic parts and adhesives.
bucksmanuk said:
This ceramic coating is NOT cheap, but it certainly works.
I did mine at home using cermachrome, which worked out quite a lot cheaper although it did also take work, of course. I don't think the changes I saw were quite as big but still very noticeable. It does move more heat further down the exhaust though and you need to allow for that.ukkid35 said:
Polly Grigora said:
Is this the same as your set-up?
If yes
Can't for the life of me understand how the solenoid is getting too hot when compared to where Rover V8 starters are mounted
Nowhere near the exhausts is it?
I found a couple of photos showing the OEM heatsheild, which I will try to obtainIf yes
Can't for the life of me understand how the solenoid is getting too hot when compared to where Rover V8 starters are mounted
Nowhere near the exhausts is it?
Just a thought, I must be missing something, heat rises, the position of the shield will assist keeping the heat in rather than out
Who's going to be first to tell me I'm an idiot?
Won't be offended in any wayPolly Grigora said:
Ok then
Just a thought, I must be missing something, heat rises, the position of the shield will assist keeping the heat in rather than out
Who's going to be first to tell me I'm an idiot? Won't be offended in any way
I think the issue is that radiation is a much greater heat transfer component than convection, so yes hot air will riseJust a thought, I must be missing something, heat rises, the position of the shield will assist keeping the heat in rather than out
Who's going to be first to tell me I'm an idiot?
Won't be offended in any wayHowever the top plate will block radiated heat bouncing back down from the reflective coating in the engine bay above the starter
ukkid35 said:
Polly Grigora said:
Ok then
Just a thought, I must be missing something, heat rises, the position of the shield will assist keeping the heat in rather than out
Who's going to be first to tell me I'm an idiot? Won't be offended in any way
I think the issue is that radiation is a much greater heat transfer component than convection, so yes hot air will riseJust a thought, I must be missing something, heat rises, the position of the shield will assist keeping the heat in rather than out
Who's going to be first to tell me I'm an idiot?
Won't be offended in any wayHowever the top plate will block radiated heat bouncing back down from the reflective coating in the engine bay above the starter
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