ecotek filters
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This same snakeoil product keeps cropping up.
Question: If its THAT good, then why dont manufacturers fit them as standard??? Theyve got scientists and budgets of multi millions to test and evaluate such devices. The conclusion to be drawn is that they dont bloody work, otherwise ALL the motor manufacturers would fit them.
Its a con, a snakeoil product and a scam.
Wonder how many theyve sold in the US???
Question: If its THAT good, then why dont manufacturers fit them as standard??? Theyve got scientists and budgets of multi millions to test and evaluate such devices. The conclusion to be drawn is that they dont bloody work, otherwise ALL the motor manufacturers would fit them.
Its a con, a snakeoil product and a scam.
Wonder how many theyve sold in the US???
I joined the forum yesterday evening and posted up some info.
They banned me this morning as they cant stand the truth.
I used NO insults, but their moderator threw one!
The id i used was Mr X.
It just goes to show how easily their arguments are dissected and how the truth hurts them so badly that they first ban a user for telling it straight (NO insults remember) and then remove some of his posts so others cannot make up their minds from a balanced perspective.
I posted regarding a volvo s80, a citroen saxo vtr,a ford and others and their mod has deleted the lot.
They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for ripping off people simply looking to improve their cars.
My verdict? Unprintable.
They banned me this morning as they cant stand the truth.
I used NO insults, but their moderator threw one!
The id i used was Mr X.
It just goes to show how easily their arguments are dissected and how the truth hurts them so badly that they first ban a user for telling it straight (NO insults remember) and then remove some of his posts so others cannot make up their minds from a balanced perspective.
I posted regarding a volvo s80, a citroen saxo vtr,a ford and others and their mod has deleted the lot.
They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for ripping off people simply looking to improve their cars.
My verdict? Unprintable.
i didnt buy it yet... but look at their faq:
(Q) Why wasn't his device fitted to my car by the manufacturers at the factory?
(A) There are a number of reasons for this:
1. Ecotek Technologies Plc. owns the exclusive design rights to the device.
2. The device has to be individually tuned to each car. This is potentially complicated and expensive if incorporated into the assembly process.
3. Induction turbulence is a relatively recent development in mainstream combustion technology and whilst off-throttle turbulence is now being incorporated in performance engines (Ford and Mercedes for example) it is not commonplace and not otherwise available as a retro-fit option.
4. Manufacturers have chosen to tackle performance, emission and economy issues through management systems and chemical catalysts. In the long run these can theoretically improve the combustion process considerably more than the Ecotek device.
5. The current trend is to attempt to achieve the best balance between economy, emissions and performance through ECU mapping which theoretically can provide infinitely variable combinations. In order to qualify for the lowest tax band many manufacturers map the ECU to ensure the best emissions scenario. As a result the default setting on many modern cars leaves them feeling sluggish and flat.
6. In the event the major market of the Ecotek CB-26P is for retrofit to existing cars; for owners of MoT age cars who may wish to re-vitalise performance at reasonable cost without sacrificing economy or emissions.
ok that's what they say... and heres what the car magazines say:
www.ecotekplc.com/reviews_2.htm -car mechanics here!
www.ecotekplc.com/reviews_3.htm -GreenFleet magazine!
there's more reviews there
and i have one reason of my own
the ecotek isn't fitted by default because of the awful noise it makes (even with the piper silencer thingy installed)
(Q) Why wasn't his device fitted to my car by the manufacturers at the factory?
(A) There are a number of reasons for this:
1. Ecotek Technologies Plc. owns the exclusive design rights to the device.
2. The device has to be individually tuned to each car. This is potentially complicated and expensive if incorporated into the assembly process.
3. Induction turbulence is a relatively recent development in mainstream combustion technology and whilst off-throttle turbulence is now being incorporated in performance engines (Ford and Mercedes for example) it is not commonplace and not otherwise available as a retro-fit option.
4. Manufacturers have chosen to tackle performance, emission and economy issues through management systems and chemical catalysts. In the long run these can theoretically improve the combustion process considerably more than the Ecotek device.
5. The current trend is to attempt to achieve the best balance between economy, emissions and performance through ECU mapping which theoretically can provide infinitely variable combinations. In order to qualify for the lowest tax band many manufacturers map the ECU to ensure the best emissions scenario. As a result the default setting on many modern cars leaves them feeling sluggish and flat.
6. In the event the major market of the Ecotek CB-26P is for retrofit to existing cars; for owners of MoT age cars who may wish to re-vitalise performance at reasonable cost without sacrificing economy or emissions.
ok that's what they say... and heres what the car magazines say:
www.ecotekplc.com/reviews_2.htm -car mechanics here!
www.ecotekplc.com/reviews_3.htm -GreenFleet magazine!
there's more reviews there
and i have one reason of my own
the ecotek isn't fitted by default because of the awful noise it makes (even with the piper silencer thingy installed)
Of course their own site says it's great, they're not going to say their own product is crap are they? avance70 said:
ive just read this:
the 30 day money-back policy?
im gonna try it and if it doesnt work, get my money back!
Do they also cover the cost of engine damage caused by a lean running condition?
If you put this on your engine, you need your head looking at, thats all ill say on it.
Some folk just HAVE to learn the hard way.
Read and learn: www.tuning.wanadoo.co.uk/car-engine-add-on-gadgets.htm
www.fuelsaving.info/turbulence.htm
Save your money.
Ps i found this one which should help sway you....one way or the other..
www.permaculture.co.uk/erc/Product%20Reviews/Prod_Rev35.htm
Read the bollox regarding the "personal harmoniser", i spilt my drink down my shirt after i saw that one!
>> Edited by deltafox on Sunday 26th June 21:44
>> Edited by deltafox on Sunday 26th June 22:13
well ecotec probably doesnt work on newer cars, but it does on mine... yep, you heard it correctly i just bought one (my car is 10y old).
and i really dont know am i going to keep it:
advantages:
-smoother & faster engine
disadvantages:
-loud noise (with pipercross)
the engine is gooddamn smooth and i love it! other advantages are probably less emmision (as reviewed)... and i feel like i just dumped a dead body from my trunk
but i cannot stand the noise. its not a pretty one... like a loud tv static noise. and some of you probably know that clio 1995 has a very weak sound isolation.
i have to say ill probably give it back (they will give me a free replacement hose, if i return the ecotek).
but i will definately miss the improvement.
so i guess the ecotek is probably good for older FI cars, with good sound isolation. most probably the engines with larger displacement will profit much more (even though my 1.2 fells 10hp stronger)
and i really dont know am i going to keep it:
advantages:
-smoother & faster engine
disadvantages:
-loud noise (with pipercross)
the engine is gooddamn smooth and i love it! other advantages are probably less emmision (as reviewed)... and i feel like i just dumped a dead body from my trunk
but i cannot stand the noise. its not a pretty one... like a loud tv static noise. and some of you probably know that clio 1995 has a very weak sound isolation.
i have to say ill probably give it back (they will give me a free replacement hose, if i return the ecotek).
but i will definately miss the improvement.
so i guess the ecotek is probably good for older FI cars, with good sound isolation. most probably the engines with larger displacement will profit much more (even though my 1.2 fells 10hp stronger)
avance70 said:
well ecotec probably doesnt work on newer cars, but it does on mine... yep, you heard it correctly i just bought one (my car is 10y old).
and i really dont know am i going to keep it:
advantages:
-smoother & faster engine
disadvantages:
-loud noise (with pipercross)
the engine is gooddamn smooth and i love it! other advantages are probably less emmision (as reviewed)... and i feel like i just dumped a dead body from my trunk
but i cannot stand the noise. its not a pretty one... like a loud tv static noise. and some of you probably know that clio 1995 has a very weak sound isolation.
i have to say ill probably give it back (they will give me a free replacement hose, if i return the ecotek).
but i will definately miss the improvement.
so i guess the ecotek is probably good for older FI cars, with good sound isolation. most probably the engines with larger displacement will profit much more (even though my 1.2 fells 10hp stronger)
Utter cobblers! YOU "think" it feels faster by 10 bhp??? Are you a rep for ecotek or something?
HOW can an intentional air leak in the manifold create an extra 10 bhp???
Have you actually read the info thats been posted up on this subject???
Question: If an engine is in perfect running order, and is optimised on a rolling road for power and economy (a compromise) do you really believe an intentional air leak introduced via this snake oil contraption will somehow "extra oprtimise" this perfect running situation????
If you think that then you need a psych evaluation carrying out.
BTW, if its THAT GOOD, why are you sending it back, huh???? lmao!
avance70 said:
(paraphrased) The Ecotek produces a significant gain in power.
With all due respect, I believe you are misleading yourself. The Ecotek has absolutely no effect at full throttle; it is plumbed into a line which is at manifold pressure and there is negligeable manifold depression at full throttle. Claims that the power has increased (especially claims that are only subjective) are not credible.
At part throttle it will make some engines run lean which will inprove the fuel economy if your engine was running rich to start with. You could get the same benefit by using conventional tuning methods to correct the mixture.
Claims that turbulence in the intake caused by this device have an effect on combustion are pure fiction.
Unfortunately, however often these gadgets are exposed as the cons they are, there will always be people willing to give them a try who can convince themselves that there is am improvement. The fact is that all these devices do is make you slightly poorer and the supplier slightly richer.
well i was convinced that a k&n filter will give me more power but i didnt feel any difference (though the filter is still in, of course!). but with ecotek i do. the difference is, believe me its HUGE, i dont know how else to convince you guys...
and as i said, i am returning it because of the ugly noise it makes, and believe me its UGLY.
and as i said, i am returning it because of the ugly noise it makes, and believe me its UGLY.
avance70 said:
well i was convinced that a k&n filter will give me more power but i didnt feel any difference (though the filter is still in, of course!). but with ecotek i do. the difference is, believe me its HUGE, i dont know how else to convince you guys...
and as i said, i am returning it because of the ugly noise it makes, and believe me its UGLY.
Youve really gone and convinced yourself havent you?
See, i dont understand your logic at all.
You say its made a HUGE difference, that the fuel consumption is "probably" better and the power is up by 10 hp......how do you know that? Have you optimised the engine first and then done another power run with this ecoshreik thingy fitted after and actually SEEN the increase youre talking of? You havent????
Caution! Butt Dyno in operation here! And if that wasnt enough, just cos it makes a ikkle raspy farty wheezy sound, youre then prepared to chuck all these "gains" away just cos you dont fancy the sound it makes?????HUHUH!!!????
Does not compute!
In actual fact i think youre having us all on....i mean, it took em less than a coupla hours to actually get one to you from the time ya said you were thinking about trying one and next thing youve tried it, got better fuel econmy, 10 hp up and a nice farty noise from somewhere under the hood. Damn that DHL is rapid!
PS, can you answer the engine related questions i posed earlier and tell me how an optimised engine will make more power with an ecotek (they should change the name to EEEEEEECOTEK due to the noise its making
) Cheeeearrrs..
>> Edited by deltafox on Monday 27th June 21:12
well i said the mpg is probably better (as reviewed) but i wouldn't know... i just picked it up this morning and installed, i did just like 100 miles to test it.
well it probably isn't 10hp but theres a definite improvement.
and it is: imagine a LOUD TV STATIC everytime you put your foot down, and i mean VERY LOUD! even if it was 100hp, i would take it out.
what do you mean by "have you optimized the engine"? how much would that cost me?
well it probably isn't 10hp but theres a definite improvement.
and it is: imagine a LOUD TV STATIC everytime you put your foot down, and i mean VERY LOUD! even if it was 100hp, i would take it out.
what do you mean by "have you optimized the engine"? how much would that cost me?
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