Zeroshift. What happened?

[s2art]

Anyone know what is happening?

www.zeroshift.com/

[ccharlie6]

i believe racecar engineering magazine is going to have an article on it next month apart from that i havent heard anything

[agent006]

Allegedly they're in talks with various manufacturers so tehrefore can't give out too much info themselves.

[dilbert]

Is this system similar in nature to that of the Porsche Carrera GT?

I suppose it could be fully hydraulic, or one of those twin cone rubberbelt type systems.

I suppose the cynic in me says that there havn't really been many obvious developments in automotive transmission in the last twenty years.

Since the Carrera GT system was only announced a year or so ago, it's quite possible that it's a hybrid of that system.

Edited to add;

I've just read a bit more of their webpage, and it looks like it's a standard crash box, with an independent means of keeping the free gears spinning. Presumably it uses a "fly by wire" throttle, clutch and gearstick.

>> Edited by dilbert on Tuesday 26th April 01:14

[eliot]

One of the F1 teams tried to use the technology on their car and the FIA took a dim view. Cant remember which team it was.

eliot.

[PetrolTed]

It's ongoing. I spoke to someone involved in the project a couple of months back.

[joospeed]

eliot said:

One of the F1 teams tried to use the technology on their car and the FIA took a dim view. Cant remember which team it was. eliot.

that would suggest it's blinking good then and will be worth the wait

[walking hormone]

Petrolted is correct, it is ongoing. Ccharlie6 is also correct although I am intrigued to know how he knows this. I suggest everyone goes and gets a copy of RE for more details.


PS I work at Zeroshift.


cheers all and watch this space for developments.

[ccharlie6]

i found out that its in racecar engineering as it said in the back of this months edition

[Frik]

eliot said:

One of the F1 teams tried to use the technology on their car and the FIA took a dim view. Cant remember which team it was. eliot.

Williams tried out CVT about 12 years ago. Is this what you were thinking of?

[joospeed]

ccharlie6 said:

i found out that its in racecar engineering as it said in the back of this months edition

that'd be insider information then, as in insider the back cover ... lmao.

[ccharlie6]

BAR have this year been using a system in their carbon gearbox which some people have called seamless shifting but they have already shown the FIA that there is a minute break in power between each shift

[vyt]

joospeed said:

eliot said: One of the F1 teams tried to use the technology on their car and the FIA took a dim view. Cant remember which team it was. eliot. that would suggest it's blinking good then and will be worth the wait

Williams had some form of CVT in the mid 90's. Probably 93 / 94 before all the gizmos were removed. Saw some footage from silverstone where the car accelerated away then stayed at optimum RPM for the whole lap. It was banned before it was raced.

[walking hormone]

ccharlie6 said:

i found out that its in racecar engineering as it said in the back of this months edition

ha ha ha , don't I feel a right burk?! I haven't read this months and everything has been so hush hush up to now I forgot the blindingly obvious.

[ccharlie6]

well i've just finished reading the article and all i can say is "wow" i'm well impressed with the design of the system and whilst reading gives half the story they show graphs of different cars changing from first to second gear and the final one is of the cerbera 4.2 with zeroshift, so impressive, its nearly a flat acceleration curve

[eliot]

ccharlie6 said:

BAR have this year been using a system in their carbon gearbox which some people have called seamless shifting but they have already shown the FIA that there is a minute break in power between each shift

Yes, that's the team. "seamless shift"

[BogBeast]

This is all jolly good, but is it going to be available retro fit? (for instance G50's)

[Podie]

I may be barking up the wrong tree here… but wasn't the MD of Zeroshift called Phil James…? - I also seem to recall the current marketing man at TVR has the same name…

Same person…?

[350matt]

eliot said:

One of the F1 teams tried to use the technology on their car and the FIA took a dim view. Cant remember which team it was. eliot.

Are you sure this was Zeroshift technology though? As its been strongly suspected that a few teams have been running a Dual clutch system / DSG ? Mclaren and ferrari to name a couple

Matt

[anonymous-user]

BogBeast said:

This is all jolly good, but is it going to be available retro fit? (for instance G50's)

The article said that they are no longer planning on producting an aftermarket 5 speed T5 box. Seems that they've had so much interest from people offering them money they don't need to start selling 'boxes to get a cash flow. They are planning a 6 speed aftermarket T5 (T56?) box for 2006.

Last time I checked their site they were also asking for people to suggest boxes to work on.

As for retrofitting to an existing box - it works by a specially shaped dog on a dog 'box and uses springs rather than a direct mechanical link to the shift mechanism.

However, when just changing the box, as the n+1 gear overrides the nth gear, you suddenly have a lot of inertia in the engine that doesn't disappear instantly so you actually get an extra surge of acceleration after the change. Zeroshift are working on electronic systems to smooth this out, but this is obviously going to be a bit more complicated than just switching out a box.