Renault F1 Engine.............

Renault F1 Engine.............

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thong

414 posts

239 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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cracking video thanks for posting,its amazing what martin brundel said on comentry of f1 at weekend,modern f1 engine produce loads of compression what a load of crap they dont produce and cannot produce any more than the dfv of the 60's.

pib

1,199 posts

277 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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It is amazing how you can see the fuel going in but my video is stalling out a little.

Here is toyotas engine / hopefully the link works.

Doah doesn't work . . . try this . . . and Toyota should be the first one to click on

www.crash.net/uk/en/video.asp?cid=1&csp=4



>> Edited by pib on Thursday 7th April 23:03

>> Edited by pib on Thursday 7th April 23:04

eliot

11,729 posts

261 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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pib said:
It is amazing how you can see the fuel going in but my video is stalling out a little.

Here is toyotas engine / hopefully the link works.

Doah doesn't work . . . try this . . . and Toyota should be the first one to click on

<a href="http://www.crash.net/uk/en/video.asp?cid=1&csp=4">www.crash.net/uk/en/video.asp?cid=1&csp=4</a>



>> Edited by pib on Thursday 7th April 23:03

>> Edited by pib on Thursday 7th April 23:04


Thats just an advert for Panasonic Tat..

bad boy

821 posts

271 months

Saturday 9th April 2005
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thong said:
cracking video thanks for posting,its amazing what martin brundel said on comentry of f1 at weekend,modern f1 engine produce loads of compression what a load of crap they dont produce and cannot produce any more than the dfv of the 60's.


i would imagine they're not exactly low compression though....

chippie

84 posts

245 months

Sunday 10th April 2005
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pib said:
It is amazing how you can see the fuel going in but my video is stalling out a little.

Here is toyotas engine / hopefully the link works.

Doah doesn't work . . . try this . . . and Toyota should be the first one to click on

<a href="http://www.crash.net/uk/en/video.asp?cid=1&csp=4">www.crash.net/uk/en/video.asp?cid=1&csp=4</a>



>> Edited by pib on Thursday 7th April 23:03

>> Edited by pib on Thursday 7th April 23:04
That's not the fuel going in! Even more amazing it's water vapour being formed due to the low pressure created at the intake tumpets!! It's the same effect you see on the top surface of aircraft wings on humid days.

thong

414 posts

239 months

Sunday 10th April 2005
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bad boy said:

thong said:
cracking video thanks for posting,its amazing what martin brundel said on comentry of f1 at weekend,modern f1 engine produce loads of compression what a load of crap they dont produce and cannot produce any more than the dfv of the 60's.



i would imagine they're not exactly low compression though....

13:1 which is the ball park limit,increase the stroke you'll get it higher at a cost of rpm then the power goes down and we dont want that in a f1 motor,with 90+ mm bore area 17mm valve lift there's no time for making big compressions,in fact theres not much time for the four cycles to do there bit.

bad boy

821 posts

271 months

Sunday 10th April 2005
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thong said:

bad boy said:


thong said:
cracking video thanks for posting,its amazing what martin brundel said on comentry of f1 at weekend,modern f1 engine produce loads of compression what a load of crap they dont produce and cannot produce any more than the dfv of the 60's.




i would imagine they're not exactly low compression though....


13:1 which is the ball park limit,increase the stroke you'll get it higher at a cost of rpm then the power goes down and we dont want that in a f1 motor,with 90+ mm bore area 17mm valve lift there's no time for making big compressions,in fact theres not much time for the four cycles to do there bit.


thats intresting, i was guessing the would be running some 20:1 + cr's. thanks for clearing that up

thong

414 posts

239 months

Sunday 10th April 2005
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20:1 is totally out of the question,they are like diesel engines in combution area-there is no combustion chamber so to speak this is the only way the guys can get the compression up.

speedy_thrills

7,775 posts

250 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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thong said:
13:1 which is the ball park limit,increase the stroke you'll get it higher at a cost of rpm then the power goes down and we dont want that in a f1 motor,with 90+ mm bore area 17mm valve lift there's no time for making big compressions,in fact theres not much time for the four cycles to do there bit.

Leave compression ratio’s alone for a second, remember that the engines on Formula 1 cars experience more than 100% cylinder filling due to the effects of dynamic pressure so BMEP of the air alone is probably equal to Atmospheric pressure * Dynamic pressure * Compression ratio. Although the compression ratio is probably approximately the same as a highly tuned road car the actual pressure in the cylinder is much higher. The choice of fuel probably reflects this, as I understand it’s carefully engineered to allow high cylinder pressures (although it is claimed it is pump fuel).