GMA T.50 and T.33 - will reviewers get to drive it?
Discussion
When these cars finally get delivered to customers (2023 for T.50 I believe) do we think reviewers will get their hands on one to actually be able to test? In terms of hypercars these are the only that really interest me - amazing V12, manual gearbox, built foremost as a road car and incredibly light and small. Styling obviously subjective, but I do believe that these have the potential to be "up there" with the McLaren F1 in terms of the build and how it is to drive, although clearly they won't be breaking any top speed records.
Davey S2 said:
He doesn't need to as they are all sold so not needed as a marketing exercise but I'm sure Harry Metcalf and Chris Harris will get the opportunity to drive one.
Have to say I prefer the looks of the T33 over the T50.
Yes, I also prefer the T33 styling. I know he doesn't need to get reviewers to review them, but I was just curious to know whether reviewers WOULD get to review them Have to say I prefer the looks of the T33 over the T50.
BobM said:
K50 DEL said:
The fact that I sat through the 7!! advert breaks in a 30 minute video did 2 things,
Firstly it reinforced why I never normally watch online content (this was the first in years)
Secondly it confirmed just how good those 2 cars are, how much I want a T.50 and how much Henry has matured in the years since he first started writing for Evo.
Every so often I get a reminder of the value I get from my Youtube premium subscription! Doesn't cost a lot but transforms the Youtube experience.Firstly it reinforced why I never normally watch online content (this was the first in years)
Secondly it confirmed just how good those 2 cars are, how much I want a T.50 and how much Henry has matured in the years since he first started writing for Evo.
br d said:
If I had the "I just want the icon" money then yes 100% but as amazing as the T.50 is it doesn't seem to do any one thing better than other modern Supercars.
I suspect that's an irrelevant angle though, he'll sell as many as can make and potential buyers aren't comparing figures with other cars. This is an entirely different ball game and the world's a much better place with GM in it.
I'd say it offers something different. Which other supercar offers a NA V12 with a manual gearbox and weighs under just 1000kgs? Once moving, no PAS. I'd say it's very different to just about anything else on the market? I suspect that's an irrelevant angle though, he'll sell as many as can make and potential buyers aren't comparing figures with other cars. This is an entirely different ball game and the world's a much better place with GM in it.
br d said:
The driving position certainly but the engine and stuff aren't really factors because the car isn't really 'on the market' is it?
You can't just buy one.
But yeah I was being simplistic, what I was trying to clumsily say is that performance and handling wise it doesn't do anything that other cars can't, like the F1 did in its time.
I'm sounding critical which wasn't my intention, it's a wonderful thing.
I'd argue no road car needs more performance than is offered by the fastest supercars around today. The F1 wasn't meant to be about the performance, it was meant to be about the driving experience, it just so happened it was very, very fast. This has a bit more power and a bit less weight. It'll be plenty fast enough. You can't just buy one.
But yeah I was being simplistic, what I was trying to clumsily say is that performance and handling wise it doesn't do anything that other cars can't, like the F1 did in its time.
I'm sounding critical which wasn't my intention, it's a wonderful thing.
br d said:
Yes I agree but I wasn't saying that it needs to be faster, just that it doesn't have the same shock factor that the F1 brought.
Which of course it doesn't need and the people buying it won't care a jot about that.
I saw one at Goodwood a while back and it's beautiful, I hear a lot of negativity about the fan but in the flesh I thought it looked perfect.
Which of course it doesn't need and the people buying it won't care a jot about that.
I saw one at Goodwood a while back and it's beautiful, I hear a lot of negativity about the fan but in the flesh I thought it looked perfect.
subirg said:
mogg said:
+1.
Admittedly, I haven't seen one in the flesh yet but from lots of pictures and videos, it's a £3 million hypercar car that has the looks of a £200k supercar at best !!
I think that’s the point. It’s the Patek Philippe Minute Repeater of cars. Not an iced up Rolex Daytona. People will buy this for the engineering and philosophy. Not to poss in Knightsbridge. Admittedly, I haven't seen one in the flesh yet but from lots of pictures and videos, it's a £3 million hypercar car that has the looks of a £200k supercar at best !!
cypriot said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYuOcRwVdbA
probably the best video to understand the noise from inside the cabin. Epic. The couple of times he shifts into 5th, and the intake changes to a gargle are spectacular!
Seen that before, it's glorious. I think I prefer the tone of the V12 from the McLaren F1, but I certainly wouldn't complain.... probably the best video to understand the noise from inside the cabin. Epic. The couple of times he shifts into 5th, and the intake changes to a gargle are spectacular!
alanford said:
I think the sound of the T50 and F1 are often incomparable. The T50 goes up to 12 thousand rpm and when it changes gear it starts again at about 9 thousand. And the revs probably climb twice as fast as f1. If the F1 is in third gear, the T50 should probably be in fifth at the same speed to be comparable.
The noise character won't be defined just by the rpm, the firing order etc will effect that, and they're different. Hear a T50 pulling from a standstill and even low rpm they sound very different alanford said:
right. thank you. but I'm not sure if I explained it well. in the videos with the t50 on the track we hear high revs where the f1 can't go. some people comment that they like the f1 sound better. but the high revs are just an extra sound of what the f1 has. another type of video is the one Catchpol has where he steps on the gas from second or third gear. roughly according to my calculations if the f1 and t50 were side by side in third gear at 40 mph, the f1 would be at about 2500 rpm and the t50 at 4500 rpm. you press the gas on both all the way down and by the time the t50 hits the hard limiter the f1 is only at 6500 rpm.
also the t50 starts at higher revs, flies towards the redline and by the time the f1 gets to 4500 rpm the t50 is already in the 8500 rpm zone where the f1 can't go. so to get as close as possible with T50 to the sound f1 has you need to shift into fifth gear at 40 mph to drop to 2500 rpm and be in a gear that won't climb that fast and press the gas all the way down. i'm not sure i've seen that on any video of someone pressing the gas all the way down in fifth gear. or if f1 is in fifth the t50 should be in the longer sixth. again as you say the sound could be completely different but as i see it it's a way to test if the t50 has similar f1 noise
I understand what you mean, but the T50 doesn't sound like the F1 does at similar rpm. also the t50 starts at higher revs, flies towards the redline and by the time the f1 gets to 4500 rpm the t50 is already in the 8500 rpm zone where the f1 can't go. so to get as close as possible with T50 to the sound f1 has you need to shift into fifth gear at 40 mph to drop to 2500 rpm and be in a gear that won't climb that fast and press the gas all the way down. i'm not sure i've seen that on any video of someone pressing the gas all the way down in fifth gear. or if f1 is in fifth the t50 should be in the longer sixth. again as you say the sound could be completely different but as i see it it's a way to test if the t50 has similar f1 noise
andrew said:
alanford said:
three decades of material and technology advances2/3 the engine size
and a net saving of 21kg ?
DMZ said:
I could be wrong but I don’t think the T50 is type approved so it doesn’t have to comply with anything. Highly unlikely that it can sound like it does if it meets Euro 6/7 regulations. Everything else sounds like a vacuum cleaner for a reason I would have thought.
https://chatgpt.com/share/681685c6-3b78-800d-909f-3339b32cca77The fan will add a bit I'd have thought, and seems it does need to comply to safety regs etc.
alanford said:
cypriot said:
alanford said:
as i said before. although gordon murray will probably say that cars like the mclaren f1 lm or the road version of the mclaren f1 gtr were not examples for him, reading this and other reviews and owner comments the feeling of driving the t50 seems closer to the lm than to the original f1. but only in terms of feeling through the steering wheel, body, accelerator pedal. sensory overload. in terms of suspension comfort and silence when you want to be quiet it is closer to the original f1. But it seems driver has to try harder to be quiet. through the corners it seems even more fun and at the same time safer. not sure if it is but it would be good if it was demanding when driving faster through corners like the f1 and required that level of skill. but not like the f1 which slaps the driver in the face with one uncontrolled slide or spin. maybe in the sense that esp is tiring when you have no skills and when you do a friend who helps when things get tough. as for the sound as the review says it doesn't have that beautiful, rich intake sound of the mclaren but it is noise cocktail. the mclaren is quieter and more comfortable. The impression of the review is a much smaller age difference.
I wouldn't agree that the t50 is uncomfortably noisy inside. If you see the video I had posted above, there is a section when he put its into 6th, and the car becomes silent. Way quieter than any modern 911. And then regarding comfort, whilst it may be stiffer sprung than the F1, that doesnt mean it wont be comfortable. Dario is on record saying many times that the quality of the damping is such that you can go over speed bumps at 30mph without it being jarring. This is all just conjecture of course, but considering that Gordon's main focus was for it be a road car, I think giving the benefit of the doubt is in order. we can only dream and hope that more content eventually comes out! It would be wicked to get Harry Metcalfe in one. "the noise inside the T.50 at cruising speed would probably make you think twice about doing a really long journey in it. "
https://www.evo.co.uk/gma/t50
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CountyLines said:
They're cars. Absolutely lovely cars, but cars. The only skill you need is a driving licence.
I think that is perhaps being a bit obtuse. To drive a 70bhp 1400kg FWD hatchback hard doesn't require the skill as it does to drive a sub 1000kg almost 700bhp RWD car. To drive sedately, I'm sure it isn't that hard, but you're going to have to have your wits about you if you want to fully use the throttle.Gassing Station | Supercar General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff